**2014 Official NBA Playoffs Thread**

[-King-]

Round 1:

EAST:

#8 Hawks @ #1 Pacers
#7 Bobcats @ #2 Heat
#6 Nets @ #3 Raptors
#5 Wizards @ #4 Bulls

WEST:
#8 Mavericks @ #1 Spurs
#7 Grizzlies @ #2 Thunder
#6 Warriors @ #3 Clippers
#5 Blazers @ #4 Rockets

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I'm not a "hater" at all, in fact I understood why he originally left the Cavs and thought he could be in that rarefied air of greats. Then the "Big 3" era began, and he started wilting in big games which at the same time it didn't help that the NBA's marketing machine was pushing the all-time great talk simultaneously with the intro of how many championships that Lebron will when in his own words.

Did you miss the links I posted or are you just choosing to ignore them so you can carry on with this bullshitting? LeBron has been statistically one of the best playoff performers in the history of basketball and has been very clutch over his postseason career as well.

[ChiefsCountry]

I also think its funny with the argument that the talent isn't as good when 2 of LeBron's Finals losses have been to another top 10 player of all time in Duncan.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Did you miss the links I posted or are you just choosing to ignore them so you can carry on with this bullshitting? LeBron has been statistically one of the best playoff performers in the history of basketball and has been very clutch over his postseason career as well.

LOL, yep and the Mavs really helped his legacy there.

[notorious]

Let's wait until Lebron actually wins a few more championships before comparing him to Jordan.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by notorious

Let's wait until Lebron actually wins a few more championships before comparing him to Jordan.

It seems to me that the people who bring up MJ the most here are those who feel that his legacy is threatened by LeBron.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

LOL, yep and the Mavs really helped his legacy there.

It's always easier to bullshit about something you know nothing about than to actually look at the facts, I guess.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

It seems to me that the people who bring up MJ the most here are those who feel that his legacy is threatened by LeBron.

Perhaps they are threatened.

A lot of fans fell in love with the NBA because of Jordan, so Lebron threatens an almost mythical figure from their childhood.

For myself, I became a Bulls fan because their games were on WGN back when big dishes were the craze in the mid-80's.

I also remember similar arguments being made about the greatest ever back then, too. This is not a new argument, simply different players being included in the argument.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Sorry, but the facts are there and clear as day.

You should probably compare Lebron's success to Kobe Bryant as well. It would be a more apt comparison since Bryant played in an era closer to James and also started out in the NBA straight out of high school.

FYI, Bryant 3-peated within 6 years in the league; won his first championship after 3 years in the league.

Again, it took James 7 years, a different city, and playing under a different star before he could even win 1.

The point of the graphic, if you actually read my post, was to demonstrate that much of LeBron's story has yet to be told at age 29. Same as Jordan. If we judged MJ, only through his age 29 season, he wouldn't be the greatest of all time.
I am not actually trying to compare them. It's a pointless exercise at this point. But I am reasonable enough to understand that LeBron's best years may still be ahead of him.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

It's always easier to bullshit about something you know nothing about than to actually look at the facts, I guess.

yeah, like actually watching the games and not just reading the box score .

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by KevB

Not going to argue MJ and LeBron --- MJ was the most clutch player ever and never lost in the Finals. Magic and Bird? Very clutch obviously, but they lost their share of playoff games. LeBron has been plenty clutch the last couple of years and has won some and lost some as well. He's moving into the top 10 conversation, and he's not far from passing Bird as the best SF of all time.

[notorious]

Has Lebron played on the same team as a "50 greatest players of all-time"?


Jordan did.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by notorious

Perhaps they are threatened.

A lot of fans fell in love with the NBA because of Jordan, so Lebron threatens an almost mythical figure from their childhood.

For myself, I became a Bulls fan because their games were on WGN back when big dishes were the craze in the mid-80's.

I also remember similar arguments being made about the greatest ever back then, too. This is not a new argument, simply different players being included in the argument.

I am in the same boat. I lived in Memphis with no local team. Followed Jordan from his success and on to the Bulls. Great, he's actually going to play for a team I can watch on cable TV (either Chicago, Atlanta or New York). I watched every available game and was a Jordan fanatic. I believe he's the best of all time. But, I am not of the opinion that we'll never see anyone that matches him.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Check my link from the previous page. Given your comment, I suspect you'll be surprised by what you see.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

yeah, like actually watching the games and not just reading the box score .

I can assure you that I've watched plenty more basketball games (and plenty more of LeBron) than you this year. But carry on with this ignorant bullshitting.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by notorious

Has Lebron played on the same team as a "50 greatest players of all-time"?


Jordan did.

LeBron played with a washed up Shaq 5 years ago. Still a good point, though.