Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 366

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

Prison Bitch · 06-06-2013, 12:54 PM

3 current pitchers were drafted #1 overall.

Hochevar
Price
Strasbourg

Yes, we got the only pumpkin. Like always.

-King- · 06-06-2013, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

So Cain has 1 HR and 41k this year.

Escobar is a total pumpkin with identical stats to Berroa and Neifi.

And people STILL think we won the Greinke deal? LMFAO

It's not like Greinke is having a great season either. Especially for the kind of money he's getting.

penbrook · 06-06-2013, 01:16 PM

Just think were only 6.5 games out of first.

**gblowfish** · 06-06-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by penbook

Just think were only 6.5 games out of first.

Yeah.
But if we keep scoring less than 4 runs per game, we might as well be 65 games out of first.

Our starters should sue the position players for non-support.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 06-06-2013, 01:40 PM

What's amazing is that you traded 51 starts of Greinke for Cain and Escobar, who have given you a combined 1.8 WAR this year. Meanwhile, the Brewers traded 13 starts of Greinke for Jean Segura, who has given the Brewers 2.7 WAR.

**DeezNutz** · 06-06-2013, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What's amazing is that you traded 51 starts of Greinke for Cain and Escobar, who have given you a combined 1.8 WAR this year. Meanwhile, the Brewers traded 13 starts of Greinke for Jean Segura, who has given the Brewers 2.7 WAR.

Even more amazing is that you're telling me this. Here I am, diligently trying to kill myself, and you're yelling, "Faster! Faster!"

Prison Bitch · 06-06-2013, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What's amazing is that you traded 51 starts of Greinke for Cain and Escobar, who have given you a combined 1.8 WAR this year. Meanwhile, the Brewers traded 13 starts of Greinke for Jean Segura, who has given the Brewers 2.7 WAR.

You're not exactly breaking any new info here.

Prison Bitch · 06-06-2013, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King-

It's not like Greinke is having a great season either. Especially for the kind of money he's getting.

As Hamas alluded to, that's not the issue. What he's doing for LA matters not, it's what Milwaukee did with him vs. what we could've.

**alnorth** · 06-06-2013, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Draft is tommorrow who are they targeting? I would assume it will be either Ryne Stanek from Arkansas or Alex Gonzalez from Oral Roberts.

I have no idea.

Hopefully one of the top high school hitters. The good college pitchers will be gone, and high school pitching is risky as hell.

duncan_idaho · 06-06-2013, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What's amazing is that you traded 51 starts of Greinke for Cain and Escobar, who have given you a combined 1.8 WAR this year. Meanwhile, the Brewers traded 13 starts of Greinke for Jean Segura, who has given the Brewers 2.7 WAR.

The Royals have gotten 4.7 fWAR/6.1 bWAR from Escobar from 2011-current and 2.9 fWAR/2.7 bWAR from Cain.

They're on pace to have totalled 5.9 fWAR/5.9 bWAR and 5.3 fWAR/3.8 bWAR by the end of the year.

It will be interesting to see how they track against Segura long-term. I'm not sure I buy him hitting this well long-term, but he might be one of those guys that just takes a big step up in the big leagues (or he might have borrowed some "Iron" pills from his buddy Ryan Braun).

If the Brewers saw that coming, kudos to them. I don't think anybody else did.

**alnorth** · 06-06-2013, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Escobar is a total pumpkin with identical stats to Berroa and Neifi.

Well, no. Looking at fWAR, Escobar has been a hell of a lot better than either of them, and he's on pace to record at least 1.5 WAR this season.

duncan_idaho · 06-06-2013, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

I have no idea.

Hopefully one of the top high school hitters. The good college pitchers will be gone, and high school pitching is risky as hell.

I'd guess both are gone at the Royals pick. Gray, Appel, Bryant off in 1-3 in some order. Moran, Stewart, Meadows and Frazier off 4-7 in some order.

Trey Ball
Phil Bickford
Ryne Stanek
Shipley
Domonic Smith
The kid from Oral Roberts

Probably the types of names available at No. 8

duncan_idaho · 06-06-2013, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

Well, no. Looking at fWAR, Escobar has been a hell of a lot better than either of them, and he's on pace to record at least 1.5 WAR this season.

Just put the moron on ignore. Makes this thread much more bearable.

Fairplay · 06-06-2013, 02:57 PM

Can someone tell me what it going on with Duffy? Is he injured or what I fully expected him to be a part of this team this year, a 4 or 5 pitcher anyway.

Prison Bitch · 06-06-2013, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

Well, no. Looking at fWAR, Escobar has been a hell of a lot better than either of them, and he's on pace to record at least 1.5 WAR this season.

Why don't you explain to me - again - how Moose didn't need to be sent down last month. I need a good laugh.

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