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Old 04-18-2008, 05:08 PM  
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A brand spanking new Jared Allen thread
According to a Vikes' board (this is probably from their Scout.com site like the similiarly unlinked report from yesterday):

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- The Chiefs want more than the 1st and 3rd the Vikings are alleged to have offered. It is said that it will take a "wow offer" to get them to agree to the trade.

- Time is an important factor. If Allen was signed to an offer sheet then the Chiefs would be guaranteed seven days to match it. An offer sheet would have to be signed and approved by the league by tomorrow (Saturday) to give KC seven days before the draft.

Without the offer sheet option to fall back on, the entire deal hinges on the Vikings being able to offer the Chiefs enough in return to make the trade. If they don't offer a deal to the Chiefs liking, Allen isn't coming.

- The Vikings believe more teams, at least 3, have contacted KC about Allen in the last 24 hours once all this news got out. But in terms of having the picks to satisfy the Chiefs and the cap room to get a deal done, the Vikings believe they're in the lead.

- One of the 3 teams, though, is rumored to be New England, and the chance of getting their high first rounder is going to entice the Chiefs a lot more than getting Minnesota's. The Patriots also have a high third round pick (4 spots higher than the Vikings' first pick in that round).

Still, it's not known what, if anything, the Patriots have offered. And it's unlikely the Chiefs would want to trade Allen to an AFC team.
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Old 04-18-2008, 05:32 PM   #31
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because they know that DE is much more important than CB...and they witnessed that fact first hand against the Giants...

That's true....although I'd assume he'd be more of an OLB who rushes the passer.

Maybe they'll use him as the replacement to Vrabel.....you know because he can catch TDs.
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Old 04-18-2008, 05:33 PM   #32
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Old 04-18-2008, 05:34 PM   #33
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That's true....although I'd assume he'd be more of an OLB who rushes the passer.

Maybe they'll use him as the replacement to Vrabel.....you know because he can catch TDs.
again, I don't think it will happen....but I can at least see the logic of it...Belicheck is smart enough to figure out how to use Allen
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again, I don't think it will happen....but I can at least see the logic of it...Belicheck is smart enough to figure out how to use Allen
You have to figure that if the Pats really are interested....that Allen would much rather go there. At least there he's got a legit shot at a championship. The Vikings have Jackson at QB for Christ's sake!
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Now that I think about it, that would be nothing short of genius. Just taking the Patriots' 1st and 3rd for Allen and offering the #7 overall to the highest bidder to trade down for a lower 1st and 2nd...

It really would be an uncharacteristically genius of Herm and Carl to pull this off.

2 1sts, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, a 4th, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths... Wow.
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Now that I think about it, that would be nothing short of genius. Just taking the Patriots' 1st and 3rd for Allen and offering the #7 overall to the highest bidder to trade down for a lower 1st and 2nd...

It really would be an uncharacteristically genius of Herm and Carl to pull this off.

2 1sts, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, a 4th, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths... Wow.
How can we get a second 4th round pick? I'd like to even the shit out.
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can a team fit two top 10 picks with the rookie pool?
Considering the rookie cap increases proportionately according to your picks and slotting, yes. They usually notify teams of their rookie cap just before the draft and then make adjustments for trades afterwards.
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2 firsts
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2 thirds....

imagine....it would be an unprecedented chance to remake this team in hyper-speed....and as I type God is placing his heel over my testicles...
Well, if the Allen trade goes through, it appears that it will be at least

2 firsts
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or

2 firsts
2 seconds
1 third

With no other trade required...

I wonder if there's any way we can trade Tony Gonzalez.
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Now that I think about it, that would be nothing short of genius. Just taking the Patriots' 1st and 3rd for Allen and offering the #7 overall to the highest bidder to trade down for a lower 1st and 2nd...

It really would be an uncharacteristically genius of Herm and Carl to pull this off.

2 1sts, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, a 4th, 2 5ths, 2 6ths, 2 7ths... Wow.

it would rival the Walker trade for impact on a Franchise...assuming we traded down for more picks etc...

the pressure to get those picks right would be unreal...
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Especially if you throw in that we also have around $20 million in cap room plus the rookie pool.....I don't think we'd have a problem signing them. That is unless Carl is a dick and trys to screw them out of money.
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Considering the rookie cap increases proportionately according to your picks and slotting, yes. They usually notify teams of their rookie cap just before the draft and then make adjustments for trades afterwards.
yeah, I was unaware of that...though it makes sense...
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Especially if you throw in that we also have around $20 million in cap room plus the rookie pool.....I don't think we'd have a problem signing them. That is unless Carl is a dick and trys to screw them out of money.
I was feeling good until this part.
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screw this...i'm going to step away from the computer for a beer...

this is all WAY TO GOOD TO BE TRUE...WE'RE THE CHIEFS
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it would rival the Walker trade for impact on a Franchise...assuming we traded down for more picks etc...

the pressure to get those picks right would be unreal...
I think they're feeling that pressure with or without these trades. I think they know as well as we all do that this is most important draft this franchise has had in at least 20 years.
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