Football Romo/Rivers/Cutler..career losers or franchise QBs? - Page 11

Deberg_1990 · 10-07-2013, 03:57 PM

Whats your take on these guys? Would these guys be 5-0 on the Chiefs.....or do they make too many mistakes and turnovers in critical situations? Sure, they put up great "box scores" , but so did Jeff George......

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-15-2013, 07:15 PM

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I'd still take the Lee Westwood of QBs over what the Chiefs have got right now.

There is something about Romo that stats will never be able to quantify, and I don't think it's just narrative. I've never seen a quarterback with an ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory quite like him.

It's not even like he has the Chris Webber gene where he's terrified of the clutch and avoids it.

I think I have the right comp:

He's like 2012-13 Phil Pressey played on a loop.

KC_Connection · 12-15-2013, 07:15 PM

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Yep, and most of those nine came at the WORST possible times.

And you're basing that on what exactly?

KC_Connection · 12-15-2013, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There is something about Romo that stats will never be able to quantify, and I don't think it's just narrative. I've never seen a quarterback with an ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory quite like him.

It's not even like he has the Chris Webber gene where he's terrified of the clutch and avoids it.

I think I have the right comp:

He's like 2012-13 Phil Pressey played on a loop.

It is mostly just narrative. Put him in a different organization that isn't full of clowns for his entire career and that narrative changes.

GloryDayz · 12-15-2013, 07:18 PM

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Tony Romo is a far better QB than Alex Smith. Nobody being remotely reasonable at all could dispute that.

I'm no Cowboy hater, but I'd say that as good as Romo might be at times, you can't have a QB that you feel you need to NOT have play in the 4th quarter.

And yes, the D totally screwed the pooch too, but there's no excuse for the totaly reliance on the pass OR Romo throwing those INTs. So a lot of firing needs to happen if JJ can get past his ego.

Start with Benching Romo (he won't care!!), fire the OC who thought throwing in the 2nd half was a good idea, and thr HC and DC need to be told that they might make it to the end of the year, but it's nothing more than an interview for their next teams - so make magic or look stupid (and not get a job offer).

KC_Connection · 12-15-2013, 07:20 PM

Romo is a good QB that's played in a shit organization for his entire career. I know people hate the guy, but I have no idea why that's so hard for people to grasp. There have been plenty like him.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-15-2013, 07:22 PM

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It is mostly just narrative. Put him in a different organization that isn't full of clowns for his entire career and that narrative changes.

Perhaps it is. It just seems to happen at an asinine rate. Then again, you can't have rules without exceptions.

I'd certainly take him over Smith in a vacuum, but if I was up one or two scores in the fourth quarter he'd be the last guy in the world I'd want under center.

KC_Connection · 12-15-2013, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz

I'm no Cowboy hater, but I'd say that as good as Romo might be at times, you can't have a QB that you feel you need to NOT have play in the 4th quarter.

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Fact: Romo has the highest fourth-quarter passer rating among active quarterbacks. And it’s not even close. His 102.1 rating is more than five points higher than the second man on the list, Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowbo...fourth-quarter

But yeah, I'm sure benching Romo because of his supposed 4th quarter failure is the prudent decision to make.

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And yes, the D totally screwed the pooch too, but there's no excuse for the totaly reliance on the pass OR Romo throwing those INTs. So a lot of firing needs to happen if JJ can get past his ego.

Start with Benching Romo (he won't care!!), fire the OC who thought throwing in the 2nd half was a good idea, and thr HC and DC need to be told that they might make it to the end of the year, but it's nothing more than an interview for their next teams - so make magic or look stupid (and not get a job offer).

Oh, there's no doubt there should be plenty of firings and changes in Dallas. But Romo is not, nor has he ever been a problem with that organization. He's the only thing that's even keeping them mediocre.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-15-2013, 07:29 PM

It'd be interesting to see what his 4th quarter rating is with a few more splits thrown in, like in a one score game, or with seven or fewer minutes left.

KC_Connection · 12-15-2013, 07:30 PM

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Perhaps it is. It just seems to happen at an asinine rate. Then again, you can't have rules without exceptions.

If Dallas ever had a team worth a shit, I have little doubt he'd be thought of completely different. It's not like Brady or Manning haven't ever thrown interceptions in big situations before, they've done it plenty of times. Their organizations just have had the talent to cover those mistakes up and, of course, the rings to give them pedigree.

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I'd certainly take him over Smith in a vacuum, but if I was up one or two scores in the fourth quarter he'd be the last guy in the world I'd want under center.

When I see finishes like today from him, I would tend to agree (although I have no idea what Beasley was doing on that last route). But then I wonder if that is just my selective memory at work.

Deberg_1990 · 12-15-2013, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

It is mostly just narrative. Put him in a different organization that isn't full of clowns for his entire career and that narrative changes.

I'm of the belief Romo would find a way to lose no matter if it was 10-7 or 45-41.

stonedstooge · 12-15-2013, 07:32 PM

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If Dallas ever had a team worth a shit, I have little doubt he'd be thought of completely different. It's not like Brady or Manning haven't ever thrown interceptions in big situations before, they've done it plenty of times. Their organizations just have had the talent to cover those mistakes up and, of course, the rings to give them pedigree.

When I see finishes like today from him, I would tend to agree (although I have no idea what Beasley was doing on that last route). But then I wonder if that is just my selective memory at work.

So Jerry Jones hasn't tried to surround him with talent? OK

tk13 · 12-15-2013, 07:32 PM

Can't totally blame the guy when the D gives up 37.

But, it's amazing how he makes these terrible mistakes at the worst times, and usually in big games. It's heading for another week 17 game where Dallas will be fighting for a playoff spot, and somehow choke it away.

KC_Connection · 12-15-2013, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It'd be interesting to see what his 4th quarter rating is with a few more splits thrown in, like in a one score game, or with seven or fewer minutes left.

Something like this maybe: http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/po...often-than-not

It has him 4th in QBR in 4th quarter/OT with the score margin being between -8 and +8 (behind Luck, Rodgers, and Brees)

KC_Connection · 12-15-2013, 07:33 PM

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So Jerry Jones hasn't tried to surround him with talent? OK

Of course he's tried. But do you seriously believe he's been successful when you've seen some of these teams he's put together? The Cowboys are a joke and it's not because of their above average QB.

GloryDayz · 12-15-2013, 07:34 PM

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http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowbo...fourth-quarter

But yeah, I'm sure benching Romo because of his supposed 4th quarter failure is the prudent decision to make.

Oh, there's no doubt there should be plenty of firings and changes in Dallas. But Romo is not, nor has he ever been a problem with that organization. He's the only thing that's even keeping them mediocre.

Then I'm sure he'll have a lot of teams licking their chops and giving up great draft picks to get him.

I get it, his stats look great, but he's known to choke at all the wrong times. And his "don't give a shit" looks don't help in the industry he's in.

But it's JJ's team, and he can do what he wants.

As for DB leaving early (not that you brought it up), I'm thinking I'd be ready to give him as much of a pass for that as they will to Romo and the AC for their parts in this. OR......if players like him do something entertaining like take the franchise QB to task on the side line and tell him to "shut the **** up and act just a little like he cares" (so the world can see), then don't complain when the "leader" is getting his ass taken to task by his own players.

Lord knows it's fun to watch... And i hate emotionless players!

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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1862500	Can't totally blame the guy when the D gives up 37. But, it's amazing how he makes these terrible mistakes at the worst times, and usually in big games. It's heading for another week 17 game where Dallas will be fighting for a playoff spot, and somehow choke it away.
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