Football Romo/Rivers/Cutler..career losers or franchise QBs? - Page 17

Deberg_1990 · 10-07-2013, 03:57 PM

Whats your take on these guys? Would these guys be 5-0 on the Chiefs.....or do they make too many mistakes and turnovers in critical situations? Sure, they put up great "box scores" , but so did Jeff George......

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-16-2013, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

If Eli is a game manager we are going to have to redefine what a game manager is. He averages 3500 yds, 22 TD's and 16 INT's a season.

Those are not good numbers in this league. A franchise QB should be able to clear 4000 yards and 25 TDs with little difficulty in this offensive environment.

Eli turns into a pick machine every other year, and that can't be discounted.

Marcellus · 12-16-2013, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

If Eli is a game manager we are going to have to redefine what a game manager is. He averages 3500 yds, 22 TD's and 16 INT's a season.

Alex is on pace to beat all those numbers.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2013, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Those are not good numbers in this league. A franchise QB should be able to clear 4000 yards and 25 TDs with little difficulty in this offensive environment.

Eli turns into a pick machine every other year, and that can't be discounted.

Typo?

I'm assuming you meant 35.

Half of the starting QB's in the league will throw 25, give or a take a few.

O.city · 12-16-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Typo?

I'm assuming you meant 35.

Half of the starting QB's in the league will throw 25, give or a take a few.

I dunno about that. I think thats where you're elite guys will be.

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2013, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Those are not good numbers in this league. A franchise QB should be able to clear 4000 yards and 25 TDs with little difficulty in this offensive environment.

Eli turns into a pick machine every other year, and that can't be discounted.

True but that is throughout his career, he had a couple of lean years early on. The last 5 years he is averaging 4062 yds, 26 TD's and 19 INT's. With the exception of INT's clearly in your franchise QB range

KC_Connection · 12-16-2013, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Great blurb from Barnwell at Grantland this morning:

Ask yourself this: When was the last time Romo's defense bailed him out? I can think of a whole bunch of times when Romo bailed out his defense. Like the two-minute drill against the Vikings a few weeks ago after his defense blew a fourth-quarter lead. Or last year, when Romo led two touchdown drives in the final four minutes to tie up the game against the Saints. Or the 10-point, fourth-quarter comeback against the Bengals two weeks earlier. Where are the games when Dallas's defense comes up with a big play late to seal — let alone create — a victory?* You're not wrong to pin some of the blame on Romo. But, again, if we're going to talk about what's going wrong with the Dallas Cowboys, it seems wrong to blame the side that scored 36 points far more than the one that allowed 37.

*I see all of one: In 2012, Romo tied a game in the fourth quarter with a touchdown drive and the defense picked off Ben Roethlisberger on the first drive of overtime to set up a game-winning field goal. That's the only one I can find.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...ll-week-15-nfl

Yes, Romo is the front man (him and JJ) for the joke that is the Dallas Cowboys organization so he takes all the shit from the media. In reality, though, Romo's the least of their problems.

BIG_DADDY · 12-16-2013, 05:01 PM

Rivers is better than any those and ours as well.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2013, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I dunno about that. I think thats where you're elite guys will be.

Check the stats.

14 guys already have 21+ with two games to play. Flacco has 18 with three games to play.

25 is not a difficult number to reach in this era.

O.city · 12-16-2013, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Check the stats.

14 guys already have 21+ with two games to play. Flacco has 18 with three games to play.

25 is not a difficult number to reach in this era.

I was talking about 35 plus like you said in your first post.

KC_Connection · 12-16-2013, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

The Chiefs were 20th or so in D last year and 2-14. They are now 22nd and 11-3, the 9-0 start was all fueled by the D. A good coach changes everything. AS would have never thrown those 2 INT's late in the 4th quarter and I don't even like AS that much.

Sure, I can accept that. Reid would probably make some kind of tangible difference there, as would a better DC. But we're still talking about what very well may be the worst defense in the NFL. They're not going to be a playoff team unless the personnel changes in that area.

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Their lack of playoff success is mostly about the QB play.

It isn't, though. They've only made the playoffs on 3 occasions as it is under Romo and only one of those times was their team even particularly good at all (and that was when they actually had a defense to go with their offense in 2009). He's actually played OK in his 4 playoff games too, the Cowboys have just been beat by better teams than them.

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But he has been the QB for 8 years now, made the playoffs only 3 times. Look at the Saints, Brees has been the starter for 8 years as well, been to the playoffs 4 times, won a SB all the while their D was ranked in the mid 20's. Hell the year they won the SB their D was ranked 25th. Rodgers is the same way. Great QB's win big games even when their team is not elite in all areas. Romo can put all these nice numbers but when it comes down to that big moment he chokes it away. It has happened time and time again. This isn't something that is shocking to anyone.

2006: 4th in points scored, 20th in points allowed.
2007: 2nd in points scored, 13th in points allowed.
2008: 18th in points scored, 20th in points allowed
2009: 14th in points scored, 2nd in points allowed.
2010: 7th in points scored, 32nd in points allowed.
2011: 15th in points scored, 16th in points allowed.
2012: 15th in points scored, 24th in points allowed.
2013: 4th in points scored, 26th in points allowed.

Just take a look at that. Take a look at how much they've relied on their offense (and good QB play) just to stay mediocre in this league. Anybody who pins the Cowboys' failures (and lack of playoff success) on Romo and his offense really has no idea what they're talking about. Despite the endless hype, the team itself is just not that good and never has been. That mostly goes on their bad defense, not the few times that you selectively remember Romo throwing an interception in a close game.

**Dylan** · 12-16-2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

If Eli is a game manager we are going to have to redefine what a game manager is. He averages 3500 yds, 22 TD's and 16 INT's a season.

Thank you dirk, for constantly bringing an abundance of football knowledge to this forum...

KC_Connection · 12-16-2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

If Eli is a game manager we are going to have to redefine what a game manager is. He averages 3500 yds, 22 TD's and 16 INT's a season.

Whatever you want to call Eli Manning, he's clearly not an elite QB in the same realm of the guys we're talking about here (Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, etc.). Ignoring the playoff hot streaks, he hasn't been for his entire career.

KC_Connection · 12-16-2013, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Totally agree. Also he is alot better than Romo

I'm not sure there's one thing Eli Manning is better than Tony Romo at in terms of QB play. Other than being in the right place at the right time on the right team, I guess.

Romo has played for plenty of bad teams in his career, but never had anything like the lows of Eli.

KC_Connection · 12-16-2013, 05:25 PM

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On a related note, KC Connection must've said some form of "i'm not letting the national media dictate my opinion of Romo and neither should you".

What he doesn't understand is that i don't need them to tell me about him, the national media makes sure i get to watch way more of his games than i want to... and what i consistently see, more than any other starting QB is that, when it counts, he's the worst decision maker in the NFL.

That doesn't mean your perception (however you formed it) is reality in this case. The facts suggest it isn't. Many falsely believed that LeBron was a choker too because his Cavs lost to elite Spurs and Celtics teams in the NBA playoffs. Didn't make it true.

**Dylan** · 12-16-2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I'm not sure there's one thing Eli Manning is better than Tony Romo at in terms of QB play. Other than being in the right place at the right time on the right team, I guess.

Romo has played for plenty of bad teams in his career, but never had anything like the lows of Eli.

Romo vs. Eli - Least surprising post, ever [coming from you].

Lows?

I take it you consider yourself reasonable, KC Connection? Are you being totally unbiased in that assessment?

Clearly, you need to leave argumentation to those with more than half a wit.

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