Chiefs Teicher:On first play at camp, Chiefs show their new look

Marcellus · 07-27-2013, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

No, it's not. The people who believe Smith will be "meh" would be wrong. They wouldn't have "won" shit, since their analysis will have been completely off-base.

It doesn't mean they cannot be happy for the team's success.

This is the problem. It seems that True Fans want this to be about "who is right," and this has absolutely nothing to do with how I approach my analysis of the team.

But herein lies the problem. I don't think many fans want to analyze anything. They treat sports like a summer thrill-fest movie. Sit back. Enjoy the ride. Thinking optional.

That's cool. I understand that approach.

It's just not mine.

Ah I see, I am an uniformed non thinker when it comes to the Chiefs because I dont look at just the negatives and look at what could happen in a positive way.

Gotcha.

Like YPA, leading the league is a good thing - ME

YPA , Uh its a trick it doesn't mean what it means in THIS case - Clay

Hammock Parties · 07-27-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Like YPA, leading the league is a good thing - ME

YPA , Uh its a trick it doesn't mean what it means in THIS case - Clay

If you can't objectively analyze this guy's play, that's not my problem.

8 ypa is nice and all but it's meaningless since his yards per completion have always been low, because he literally throws the ball down the field less than Matt ****ing Cassel.

Ugly Duck · 07-27-2013, 04:39 PM

Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick, Robert Griffin III and Russell Wilson: The new breed of NFL QB..... the read-option quarterback. Does Oakland now have to play Terrell Pryor just to counter KC's use of Alex Smith as a mobile read-option QB?

July 27
By RANDY COVITZ
The Kansas City Star

Chiefs testing read-option plays

Chiefs fans weren’t imagining things on the practice fields at Missouri Western.

The Chiefs were indeed running read-option plays. Quarterbacks Alex Smith and Chase Daniel were faking handoffs to fullbacks and sprinting to the outside, keeping the ball or pitching it to trailing halfbacks.

Just like college football. And just like the read options that were run by several other NFL teams last year, including the San Francisco 49ers, where new Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith started nine games before Colin Kaepernick finished the 49ers’ run to the Super Bowl.

“It’s a change-up for us,” said Chiefs offensive coordinator Doug Pederson. “It’s something we’re going to continue to work on. If it gives us an advantage at game time, then it’s something that can definitely help us.

“All of our quarterbacks are capable of doing the zone read, the option, some of the things we saw (Saturday). Alex reads it very well. He has a lot of experience doing it, from not only at San Francisco but back to his college days (at Utah).”

Ugly Duck · 07-27-2013, 04:43 PM

For Chief Fans unfamiliar with the RGIII/Alex Smith/Michael Vick type QB, here's some basics of read-option stuff:

A defense letters the gaps in an offensive line. The spaces between the center and both guards are called the A gaps; the B gaps are between the guards and tackles; C gaps are between a tackle and a tight end; and D gaps are just beyond a tight end’s outside shoulder. Most defenders are assigned a gap on every snap. If a defensive tackle shoots the A gap, for instance, a linebacker would take the B. When you hear TV analysts saying a player is being undisciplined, it’s often because he’s chasing the flow of a play instead of minding his gap.

The best defense to stop a traditional running offense is the 3-4. With three down linemen responsible for the interior and two outside linebackers covering the edges, all the gaps are covered. The two inside linebackers react to the flow of a play and help form a wall, meaning a properly defensed running play should yield no room for a back to break through the line of scrimmage.

In a single-gap scheme, often a 4-3, a lineman is tasked with clogging one hole and making a tackle if the ballcarrier comes his way. In a two-gap scheme, often a 3-4, he’s responsible for the gap on either his left or right. His main job is to engage blockers so the linebackers behind him can make tackles. The 3-4 alone won’t stop the read-option, because it creates an extra gap, but it allows for the easiest adjustment.

Against a pocket passer in a traditional offense, gap responsibility stops at D. And the defense has the upper hand in such matchups, essentially playing 11 against 10 because the quarterback isn’t a threat to run. But when you introduce a QB who has the ability to fake an inside handoff and then scoot around the weak end of the defense*, the E gap is created in an area that is typically left unguarded. The game now becomes 11-on-11, the new math of the NFL.

keg in kc · 07-27-2013, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck

For Chief Fans unfamiliar with the RGIII/Alex Smith/Michael Vick type QB,

Good one Duck.

Marcellus · 07-27-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

If you can't objectively analyze this guy's play, that's not my problem.

8 ypa is nice and all but it's meaningless since his yards per completion have always been low, because he literally throws the ball down the field less than Matt ****ing Cassel.

Explain why it matters that you throw the ball 10 yards and get 10 yards of YAC or you throw it 20 yards and get no YAC?

Please explain the difference in those yards Clay.

I am not the one with unobjective analysis here. You are obsessed with a stat that proves nothing.

Hammock Parties · 07-27-2013, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Explain why it matters that you throw the ball 10 yards and get 10 yards of YAC or you throw it 20 yards and get no YAC?

Please explain the difference in those yards Clay.

We're talking about yards per completion.

That includes YAC.

Alex Smith doesn't throw the ball down the field, and his receivers don't pick up a lot of YAC either.

Sorry to disappoint.

Jakemall · 08-10-2013, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

We're talking about yards per completion.

That includes YAC.

Alex Smith doesn't throw the ball down the field, and his receivers don't pick up a lot of YAC either.

Sorry to disappoint.

LOL...

**DeezNutz** · 07-27-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Ah I see, I am an uniformed non thinker when it comes to the Chiefs because I dont look at just the negatives and look at what could happen in a positive way.

Gotcha.

Like YPA, leading the league is a good thing - ME

YPA , Uh its a trick it doesn't mean what it means in THIS case - Clay

No, apparently you don't. You're trying to establish a false dichotomy.

keg in kc · 07-27-2013, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

No, apparently you don't. You're trying to establish a false dichotomy.

He's like the love child of Denise and John Proctor. Contrarily positive, narcissistically proselytizing.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-27-2013, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

He's like the love child of Denise and John Proctor. Contrarily positive, narcissistically proselytizing.

Spot on.

Hammock Parties · 07-27-2013, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

narcissistically proselytizing.

07-27-2013, 04:39 PM	#3
Ugly Duck MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Petaluma, CA, USA Casino cash: $9955920	Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick, Robert Griffin III and Russell Wilson: The new breed of NFL QB..... the read-option quarterback. Does Oakland now have to play Terrell Pryor just to counter KC's use of Alex Smith as a mobile read-option QB? July 27 By RANDY COVITZ The Kansas City Star Chiefs testing read-option plays Chiefs fans weren’t imagining things on the practice fields at Missouri Western. The Chiefs were indeed running read-option plays. Quarterbacks Alex Smith and Chase Daniel were faking handoffs to fullbacks and sprinting to the outside, keeping the ball or pitching it to trailing halfbacks. Just like college football. And just like the read options that were run by several other NFL teams last year, including the San Francisco 49ers, where new Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith started nine games before Colin Kaepernick finished the 49ers’ run to the Super Bowl. “It’s a change-up for us,” said Chiefs offensive coordinator Doug Pederson. “It’s something we’re going to continue to work on. If it gives us an advantage at game time, then it’s something that can definitely help us. “All of our quarterbacks are capable of doing the zone read, the option, some of the things we saw (Saturday). Alex reads it very well. He has a lot of experience doing it, from not only at San Francisco but back to his college days (at Utah).”
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07-27-2013, 04:43 PM	#4
Ugly Duck MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Petaluma, CA, USA Casino cash: $9955920	For Chief Fans unfamiliar with the RGIII/Alex Smith/Michael Vick type QB, here's some basics of read-option stuff: A defense letters the gaps in an offensive line. The spaces between the center and both guards are called the A gaps; the B gaps are between the guards and tackles; C gaps are between a tackle and a tight end; and D gaps are just beyond a tight end’s outside shoulder. Most defenders are assigned a gap on every snap. If a defensive tackle shoots the A gap, for instance, a linebacker would take the B. When you hear TV analysts saying a player is being undisciplined, it’s often because he’s chasing the flow of a play instead of minding his gap. The best defense to stop a traditional running offense is the 3-4. With three down linemen responsible for the interior and two outside linebackers covering the edges, all the gaps are covered. The two inside linebackers react to the flow of a play and help form a wall, meaning a properly defensed running play should yield no room for a back to break through the line of scrimmage. In a single-gap scheme, often a 4-3, a lineman is tasked with clogging one hole and making a tackle if the ballcarrier comes his way. In a two-gap scheme, often a 3-4, he’s responsible for the gap on either his left or right. His main job is to engage blockers so the linebackers behind him can make tackles. The 3-4 alone won’t stop the read-option, because it creates an extra gap, but it allows for the easiest adjustment. Against a pocket passer in a traditional offense, gap responsibility stops at D. And the defense has the upper hand in such matchups, essentially playing 11 against 10 because the quarterback isn’t a threat to run. But when you introduce a QB who has the ability to fake an inside handoff and then scoot around the weak end of the defense*, the E gap is created in an area that is typically left unguarded. The game now becomes 11-on-11, the new math of the NFL.
Posts: 10,146