Mark Cuban: 'Horrible' state of college basketball hurting NBA

[Eleazar]

Mark Cuban says 'horrible' state of college basketball hurting NBA

DALLAS -- The "horrible" state of college basketball is hurting the NBA, Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban said.

Cuban said he doesn't enjoy watching the college game, but his bigger concern is that the physical, slow-down style that has become common in the NCAA results in prospects who are poorly prepared to jump to the NBA.

"If they want to keep kids in school and keep them from being pro players, they're doing it the exact right way by having the 35-second shot clock and having the game look and officiated the way it is," Cuban said Wednesday night. "Just because kids don't know how to play a full game of basketball.

"You've got three kids passing on the perimeter. With 10 seconds on the shot clock, they try to make something happen and two other kids stand around. They don't look for anything and then run back on defense, so there's no transition game because two out of five or three out of five or in some cases four out of five kids aren't involved in the play.

"It's uglier than ugly, and it's evidenced by the scoring going down. When the NBA went through that, we changed things."

Cuban, an Indiana alumnus often asked by disgruntled Hoosiers to buy out coach Tom Crean's contract, said he is actually a fan of Crean because he coaches a faster-paced, freer-flowing offense than the vast majority of his NCAA counterparts.

Cuban hopes that the NCAA's rules and officiating style change to allow faster offenses to succeed instead of rewarding teams that milk the clock and play boring basketball.

"It's horrible. It's ridiculous," Cuban said. "It's worse than high school. You've got 20 to 25 seconds of passing on the perimeter and then somebody goes and tries to make a play and do something stupid, and scoring's gone down.

"The referees couldn't manage a White Castle. Seriously, the college game is more physical than the NBA game, and the variation in how it's called from game to game [is a problem]. Hell, they don't even have standards on balls. They use different balls. One team's got one ball, the other team's got another ball. There are so many things that are ridiculous."


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[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Agree with everything except 4. That's a terrible idea.

Replace that with: call intentional fouls when teams foul intentionally late in the game. There is nothing is sports worse than the foulfests at the end of games.

That works too

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

As someone who watches a metric ton of college hoops, I think a lot of these suggestions are absolutely terrible. Reducing a shot clock to 30 is fine, but 24? You'll see bad possessions constantly. Putting the 3-point line out further is an even worse idea because 3pt % isn't that high right now (35% ish?) and if it's moved back NOBODY will go out to guard it. It'll be even more packed than it is today.


A couple simple fixes:

(1) reduce TO from 5 to 2 per half. These egomaniac coaches don't need any more micro-managing and idle hands are the devil's playthings. You get 5 breaks anyway, talk to them then.
(2) No TO when the ball is in play. Get trapped? Find a way out.
(3) 1 review per half, like the NFL coaches' challenge.
(4) Eliminate the ability to foul under 10 seconds up 3. It's the most exciting play in the game and douchebags always foul with 5 seconds to kill any thrill. Foul under 10 and it's 2-shots and the ball.

We already see bad possessions today. Horrible actually. Because for some reason coaches feel that since they're given 35 seconds, they have to use 35 seconds. A reduction to under 30 is needed. I don't think a 5 second reduction is enough.

And 35% isn't a bad 3 point percentage. That's the current NBA 3P% Moving the line back will allow players to move better and not be as packed in as they are now. And if like you say nobody guards it, then so? Offenses will punish the defense by shooting wide open 3s. College players can make NBA 3s regularly especially if they're unguarded like you say.
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[Prison Bitch]

Heat with 8 in the 3rd, 19 in the 4th. Lulz

"We changed things" - mark Cuban

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Agree with everything except 4. That's a terrible idea.

Replace that with: call intentional fouls when teams foul intentionally late in the game. There is nothing is sports worse than the foulfests at the end of games.

Especially if they're off the ball and do not effect the play directly...

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

College basketball is an absolutely horrific product.

And while Cuban is a bloviating douche, but he's right about this one. The NBA is a tremendous product and has gotten far, far better over the last 20 years, while college basketball has progressively declined in quality.

Don't you mean Hero Ball?

(Yes, that moronic commercial pisses off Bob Dole.)

[Mr. Laz]

or the NBA can stop drafting players 'on potential'

That would stop all this crap pretty quickly.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

or the NBA can stop drafting players 'on potential'

That would stop all this crap pretty quickly.

You realize that Cuban's entire point is that they can't do that, right? They have to draft raw players on potential, because there aren't many pro-ready players coming out of college. That's the whole problem. College basketball teaches players to stand around and pound nails into the floor for 30 seconds.

This really isn't that different from an engineering firm saying that engineering schools aren't preparing their students to be professional engineers. Are colleges "minor leagues" for engineering companies, or are they institutions that are supposed to teach students the skills they need to be successful and earn a living practicing their crafts?

The Mavericks shouldn't have to teach players how to play in the NBA any more than Black and Veach should have to teach kids coming out of school how to work a slide rule.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

or the NBA can stop drafting players 'on potential'

That would stop all this crap pretty quickly.

I would watch more NBA games for sure, I enjoy the polished players even if not as athletic.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

You realize that Cuban's entire point is that they can't do that, right? They have to draft raw players on potential, because there aren't many pro-ready players coming out of college. That's the whole problem. College basketball teaches players to stand around and pound nails into the floor for 30 seconds.

This really isn't that different from an engineering firm saying that engineering schools aren't preparing their students to be professional engineers. Are colleges "minor leagues" for engineering companies, or are they institutions that are supposed to teach students the skills they need to be successful and earn a living practicing their crafts?

The Mavericks shouldn't have to teach players how to play in the NBA any more than Black and Veach should have to teach kids coming out of school how to work a slide rule.

The NBA is not blameless though. Rookies in the NFL seem to perform better than rookies in the NBA because IMHO they are required to stay for 3 years. The one and done rule is not good for the NBA or college.

[Mr. Laz]

Mandatory minor leagues for the NBA(ala baseball) would pretty much solve the entire issue.

If players know they are going to have to spend several years in a minor league system for the NBA they are much less likely to come out early. The NBA could promote players through the system faster for the truly special athlete or the ones who are better prepared.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

You realize that Cuban's entire point is that they can't do that, right? They have to draft raw players on potential, because there aren't many pro-ready players coming out of college. That's the whole problem. College basketball teaches players to stand around and pound nails into the floor for 30 seconds.

This really isn't that different from an engineering firm saying that engineering schools aren't preparing their students to be professional engineers. Are colleges "minor leagues" for engineering companies, or are they institutions that are supposed to teach students the skills they need to be successful and earn a living practicing their crafts?

The Mavericks shouldn't have to teach players how to play in the NBA any more than Black and Veach should have to teach kids coming out of school how to work a slide rule.

wow, big ball of crap here.

NBA is just blaming CBB for their complete lack of discipline in the handling of talent.

Just like the NFL always giving talented players 'another chance' after breaking the rules.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The NBA is not blameless though. Rookies in the NFL seem to perform better than rookies in the NBA because IMHO they are required to stay for 3 years. The one and done rule is not good for the NBA or college.

But college football prepares kids to play in the NFL. Why should the NBA require kids to spend three years somewhere that doesn't prepare them for the NBA?

[morphius]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Replace that with: call intentional fouls when teams foul intentionally late in the game. There is nothing is sports worse than the foulfests at the end of games.

I've always wished they would do that. Heck, you could do the same thing on the fouls on a break away where they hack the guy going up for an easy score.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Mandatory minor leagues for the NBA(ala baseball) would pretty much solve the entire issue.

If players know they are going to have to spend several years in a minor league system for the NBA they are much less likely to come out early. The NBA could promote players through the system faster for the truly special athlete or the ones who are better prepared.

I honestly think playing internationally is better than playing in the D-League for guys that can't make an NBA roster.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

But college football prepares kids to play in the NFL. Why should the NBA require kids to spend three years somewhere that doesn't prepare them for the NBA?

I have heard many NFL coaches complain about how the spread has made things worse for NFL prospects especially at the QB position.