So Just What Do We All Want Stadium-Wise?

[GabyKeepsMeWarm]

This is a Chiefs board, so I know and expect to see some obvious bias toward the Chiefs over the Royals in this forum. This is weighted even moreso towards the Chiefs favor due to their incredible run over the past six years.

I know we all love the Chiefs, but there are a lot of Royals fans too. KC has historically been a very, very good sports town, and great host for the Chiefs and Royals. Weird that the teams never seem to be good at the same time, though maybe that will change if BWJr and the boys in blue can get something going during what is now the Mahomes Era.

But I digress... sorry, I get long-winded sometimes. What do we all want stadium-wise going forward? Enough of this sky is falling horseshit where both teams are getting their ducks in a row to get the hell out of KC. I don't buy that for a second. Maybe you don't agree, that's fine. But I really want to know what the people of this board would like to see happen, because there will be another vote within the next year or two with future proposals. So what do we want these proposals to ideally be?

[kcbubb]

I think you’d need more land than that. If MO added a casino, you’d have room the royals and a casino at the airport. Take a look at this map. You can see the size of arrowhead in red relative to the wheeler airport in blue. If Kansas wanted to make a run, maybe next to the power plant where the pin is located. It could be cool to get a ferry to the game like Disney where they transport people via boat from downtown but the boats would have to be much bigger.

[Hoover]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Interesting idea, Hoover. Has it actually been floated at all?

Maybe if you give Clark a free hand with the land in the area (and take the Royals out of there so that he can build that sort of entertainment district where they're sitting) he'll convince himself that he can manage what city leaders have failed at for so long.

It really is just a question of making the investment worthwhile for him. If he thinks it can be done in a way that allows them to stay in Jackson County, I suspect Arrowhead is still being replaced, but he'd probably be happy to do so and build a new stadium if it the investment can be recovered.

And for that to be the case I think you're right - it's gotta be his land. Jackson County would still benefit hugely by the tax revenues (sales tax in addition to property). Though without the Chiefs, what's the actual value of that land anyway?

Bingo.

If the Chiefs and Royals vacate its worthless IMO. I have not seen the idea floated anywhere, its just what I think would be best for all involved.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I think you’d need more land than that. If MO added a casino, you’d have room the royals and a casino at the airport. Take a look at this map. You can see the size of arrowhead in red relative to the wheeler airport in blue. If Kansas wanted to make a run, maybe next to the power plant where the pin is located. It could be cool to get a ferry to the game like Disney where they transport people via boat from downtown but the boats would have to be much bigger.

I'm not sure I follow. Just playing around with a map, it looks like the Truman Sports Complex sits on about 450 acres round up to 500 if you want to.

Wheeler looks like it sits on about 550.

I mean, if y'all are proposing ripping the Wheeler airport out of there and replacing it, that is. If not - no, there's not even close to that kind of room. But if you were - you could fit something the size of TSC on that land.

But lord - the cost would be insane. That'll just never happen, IMO.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by Woogieman

I was just looking at that area...move Wheeler to the big field where the Arabian Steam Boat was excavated (both are Flood Zones) across the river south of Parkville. Probably very expensive to build on flood plain, but at least it's out of Jackson Co.

Go look at the Royals proposed site in the crossroads then Harlem harlem is 2 to 3 times the size on Google Maps. The railroad cant be moved but you can go under or over. and more parking can be acquired in nearby NKC. By the way the street car is proposed to expand north down heart of America bridge then Burlington into the NKC district. That would be ideal for a satellite parking area or garage somewhere on the route that swings over to the ballpark.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Hoover

Bingo.

If the Chiefs and Royals vacate its worthless IMO. I have not seen the idea floated anywhere, its just what I think would be best for all involved.

Which begs the question - why would Clark see that as a massive benefit over putting it...anywhere?

"Here's 450 acres of land that's worth precisely ****-all if you leave..."

"Yeah, but I can get 500 acres of land that's worth a BUNCH in Wyandotte if I move..."

Just trying to view this as strictly assets at this point. The asset value of the land that Arrowhead is sitting on seems to be very little. I mean honestly I think you're looking at $10 million on the high side (warning: that came from my ass).

He could get $100 million in straight cash via a tax measure in Wyandotte. Giving him a $10 million parcel of land in what would become an industrial park without him seems like a drop in the bucket.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by srvy

Go look at the Royals proposed site in the crossroads then Harlem harlem is 2 to 3 times the size on Google Maps. The railroad cant be moved but you can go under or over. and more parking can be acquired in nearby NKC. By the way the street car is proposed to expand north down heart of America bridge then Burlington into the NKC district. That would be ideal for a satellite parking area or garage somewhere on the route that swings over to the ballpark.

Would be cool, I always wanted a riverfront park. If they could build the main bleacher section under over the tracks, that would be pretty cool, like Safeco maybe. I still think it would be difficult and expensive to build and insure in that flood plain. Pittsburgh, Cincy and many others made it happen though!

[Hoover]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Which begs the question - why would Clark see that as a massive benefit over putting it...anywhere?

"Here's 450 acres of land that's worth precisely ****-all if you leave..."

"Yeah, but I can get 500 acres of land that's worth a BUNCH in Wyandotte if I move..."

Just trying to view this as strictly assets at this point. The asset value of the land that Arrowhead is sitting on seems to be very little. I mean honestly I think you're looking at $10 million on the high side (warning: that came from my ass).

He could get $100 million in straight cash via a tax measure in Wyandotte. Giving him a $10 million parcel of land in what would become an industrial park without him seems like a drop in the bucket.

Because it has value to him.

Perfect location. Huge. All the infrastructure is built.

Building something from scratch isn't easy or cheap. Plus improving Truman would have different timeline. He could build new team facilities now. You can start building your entertainment district now. Once Kaufmann comes down you start construction of a new stadium (which you want while you still have Mahomes IMO).

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by Hoover

Because it has value to him.

Perfect location. Huge. All the infrastructure is built.

Building something from scratch isn't easy or cheap. Plus improving Truman would have different timeline. He could build new team facilities now. You can start building your entertainment district now. Once Kaufmann comes down you start construction of a new stadium (which you want while you still have Mahomes IMO).

What do you consider an entertainment district? Anchor hotel, plus a few bars/restaurants. There is still a huge issue with putting butts in seats every day of the year except every other Sunday. The Chiefs need to figure out the "additional revenue streams" issue, because it's very unlikely at TSC, it could be attempted at Legends, but I think you have the same problem there, are locals driving from JoCo to hang out at the Legends on non-game days (50 dates for Monarchs would help), but I'm not sure enough people would drive long distances to keep Chief's owned bars and restaurants afloat.

[Gary Cooper]

I want the Chiefs to stay at Arrowhead. Renovate if need be. Don't change the name. Make it like a soccer stadium in Europe or NCAA football stadium in the U.S. The most famous of those stadiums are older but have tons of history and great atmosphere. Modern stadiums are beautiful, but lack history, atmosphere and are just big mausoleums.

The Royals can move to Montreal, Nashville, Bogota, I could care less. They made the playoffs twice in 30 years! They're lucky they have fans remaining.

[Woogieman]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

I want the Chiefs to stay at Arrowhead. Renovate if need be. Don't change the name. Make it like a soccer stadium in Europe or NCAA football stadium in the U.S. The most famous of those stadiums are older but have tons of history and great atmosphere. Modern stadiums are beautiful, but lack history, atmosphere and are just big mausoleums.

The Royals can move to Montreal, Nashville, Bogota, I could care less. They made the playoffs twice in 30 years! They're lucky they have fans remaining.

If the MLBPA can pull their heads out of their arses and be convinced a salary cap is good for their pocket books, the Royals could be competitive again. It's possible for small markets to draft and develop talent (Cleveland), they just need to be able to keep them as well.

[bdj23]

Man i hate the way every new NFL stadium looks. Completely soulless altar to corporatism. I don't really know what Arrowhead needs, but I wish the Chiefs could just stay there forever.

As for the Royals, not really a fan so it's no concern to me. I like the K too, it's just not in a good baseball location. It was brutal in the 90s though, just concrete on top of concrete. It looked like it was built by the Soviets.

[dirk digler]

I imagine Hunt wants to do what his good buddy Robert Kraft did with Gillette Stadium. Not sure where else that could happen except on the KS side.

https://www.gillettestadium.com/attractions/

[Imon Yourside]

Something in the KC area

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by bdj23

Man i hate the way every new NFL stadium looks. Completely soulless altar to corporatism. I don't really know what Arrowhead needs, but I wish the Chiefs could just stay there forever.

As for the Royals, not really a fan so it's no concern to me. I like the K too, it's just not in a good baseball location. It was brutal in the 90s though, just concrete on top of concrete. It looked like it was built by the Soviets.

The opposing fans I've met enjoyed the Royals stadium. It's pretty and unique. I know that's true of many MLB stadiums.

I haven't heard anyone complain about it except for KC residents, and those complaints are always about location.

[dirk digler]

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