These "parents" should face criminal charges

[a1na2]

Freedom of Religion is part of our country.

They get to choose whether they go to a doctor.

It's a bad thing that happened but there isn't anything that should be done about it.

What I'm saying is that you can't have it both ways.

The next thing you know the government will make all of your decisions for you and also take all of your stuff to distribute to others .. you know, like Hillary and Obama want to do.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by a1na2

It's a bad thing that happened but there isn't anything that should be done about it.

Like hell there isn't! Lock these morons up and take their children away, IMMEDIATELY.

[Frazod]

At least when psychos kill their own kids by being psychos, they're doing their part to rid themselves from the gene pool. Perhaps we should grease the other three and then spay and neuter mom and dad, all in the Name Of God, of course.

[a1na2]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

Like hell there isn't! Lock these morons up and take their children away, IMMEDIATELY.

In doing so you would be removing their right to practice religion the way they see fit.

It's a catch 22 and they would win in a court of law.

I work with a guy that almost died last fall because he does not believe in doctors. We have talked to him and tried to reason out why he should have gone to a doctor. He was down for a couple of months. He is pretty much recovered now, but we asked him what he would do if his kid broke his arm. He said that he would set it to the best of his ability and pray for him.

That is just an area that is best left alone. I worry about my family and my situation, I can't, we can't, be the judgment seat for those that believe differently than we do. Look at what is going on everywhere else!

It's a no win situation.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by a1na2

In doing so you would be removing their right to practice religion the way they see fit.

You're damn right I would be. And if your religion called for you to kill all homosexuals, or all white people over 42 years of age, guess what? I'd fight like hell to remove your right to practice religion the way you want to, and I wouldn't feel one damn bit bad about it.

They can practice this "religion" in a lonely 6 by 6 cell room for about 40 years.

[a1na2]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

You're damn right I would be. And if your religion called for you to kill all homosexuals, or all white people over 42 years of age, guess what? I'd fight like hell to remove your right to practice religion the way you want to, and I wouldn't feel one damn bit bad about it.

They can practice this "religion" in a lonely 6 by 6 cell room for about 40 years.

But their religion does not tell them to go out and kill. It tells them to trust God for what they need.

In this one you are just wrong.

What other freedoms would you be willing to take away from people just because you don't understand their belief or like the way they do things?

You are setting a bad precedent.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by a1na2

But their religion does not tell them to go out and kill. It tells them to trust God for what they need.

In this one you are just wrong.

I'm not wrong one bit!

These people are bad parents. They have no ****ing sense. They let their daughter die, because they did not take care of her. They should have, you know, "took care of the sick" - didn't Jesus say that. They sound like some sort of Christian - so they would appreciate that.

[a1na2]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

I'm not wrong one bit!

These people are bad parents. They have no ****ing sense. They let their daughter die, because they did not take care of her. They should have, you know, "took care of the sick" - didn't Jesus say that. They sound like some sort of Christian - so they would appreciate that.

Do you believe that God/Jesus can heal you? It's a question of faith, their faith not yours.

You are wrong here. I do not think that we can do anything. But then we allow people to kill children every day in abortion clinics. Shouldn't they be put away for their crimes?

The courts have already said that it's ok to let babies die by the thousands a day or week, whatever the count is.

These people had a sincere belief that God was going to answer their prayers and heal their kid.

I go to doctors because that's the way my religion is formed. God put "tools" here to help us and doctors are some of those tools.

We can argue all night but you are not going to convince me that those people should be punished for exercising their right to believe in their religion.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by a1na2

You are setting a bad precedent.

Nope. Punishing stupid, bad parents and taking their children away is a good precedent. Very good, indeed.

[mikey23545]

Originally Posted by a1na2

But their religion does not tell them to go out and kill. It tells them to trust God for what they need.

In this one you are just wrong.

What other freedoms would you be willing to take away from people just because you don't understand their belief or like the way they do things?

You are setting a bad precedent.

You are crazier than a shithouse rat.

When it comes to endangering minors in their custody, they should have no rights whatsoever. If they want to kill themselves with their fairytale beliefs, or can convince those above the age of consent to follow their insane little cult, so be it. But to sentence a child whose welfare has been entrusted to you to die for your foolish, wicked beliefs, we should expedite their journey to "Heaven".

[a1na2]

Originally Posted by mikey23545

You are crazier than a shithouse rat.

When it comes to endangering minors in their custody, they should have no rights whatsoever. If they want to kill themselves with their fairytale beliefs, or can convince those above the age of consent to follow their insane little cult, so be it. But to sentence a child whose welfare has been entrusted to you to die for your foolish, wicked beliefs, we should expedite their journey to "Heaven".

Nice comeback, you don't have anything productive to say so you insult and throw out information that has no base. These people were not doing anything against the law.

Let it play out and see if the authorities do it. I doubt that they will, it's a no win situation.

[007]

Originally Posted by mikey23545

You are crazier than a shithouse rat.

When it comes to endangering minors in their custody, they should have no rights whatsoever. If they want to kill themselves with their fairytale beliefs, or can convince those above the age of consent to follow their insane little cult, so be it. But to sentence a child whose welfare has been entrusted to you to die for your foolish, wicked beliefs, we should expedite their journey to "Heaven".

Trust the government to make good decisions? Keep dreaming. Hell, the social services in KS goes out of their way to keep good kids in bad homes and practically ignores calls regarding kids that are in dire need because of their families lack of money

[C-Mac]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

You're damn right I would be. And if your religion called for you to kill all homosexuals, or all white people over 42 years of age, guess what? I'd fight like hell to remove your right to practice religion the way you want to, and I wouldn't feel one damn bit bad about it.

What if your religion called for you to go kill American soldiers or kill Muslims, or kill heretics, or kill pagans, or burn witches at the stake and kill anyone who spoke against the church. Are you sure you could still speak and act so boldly? Its a historical fact that during WW2 the German Catholic church leaders (also the Protestant)wholeheartedly supported the Third Reich and prayed for their soldiers to conquer the enemy. You can also grab any respectable encyclopedia (even the Catholic encyclopedia) and do a little research under the word "Crusades" and also find out a little something about religious hatred, religious intolerance, religious abuse and religious ignorance.
Even today many people willingly and are proud to offer their young(18yo) children up to the god of war or will take the life of an unborn without blinking an eye. So yes, these parents are seriously misguided, but one must be careful not to be hypocritical or tread on the sacredness of freeness of speech and freedom of religion for they are the basis upon which this country's constitution was started from.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by C-Mac

What if your religion called for you to go kill American soldiers or kill Muslims, or kill heretics, or kill pagans, or burn witches at the stake and kill anyone who spoke against the church. Are you sure you could still speak and act so boldly?

Absolutely. First, I would not join a religion that called for me to kill ANYONE. Secondly, I do believe that self defense is acceptable to fight for. In this particular case, common sense prevails and says that watching your child vomit and the other effects of this lack of insulin for a month is wrong and needs to be punished.

[C-Mac]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

Absolutely. First, I would not join a religion that called for me to kill ANYONE. Secondly, I do believe that self defense is acceptable to fight for. In this particular case, common sense prevails and says that watching your child vomit and the other effects of this lack of insulin for a month is wrong and needs to be punished.

My mistake, I had thought you stated in the past that you were a practicing Catholic.
Secondly, I'm not in anyway condoning faith healing or that nothing should be done for the child. Even one of the gospel writers (Luke) was a doctor. All I'm saying is that one must be careful not to be hypocritical.