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RunKC · 02-16-2013, 05:29 PM

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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Hammock Parties · 02-17-2013, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus

So you disagree that need causes teams to over value players sometimes?

Blain Gabbert ring a bell?

Draft value should be a combination of need and BPA.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-17-2013, 01:40 PM

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1062494.html

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/B...erbacks-041911

http://www.draftcountdown.com/archiv...ankings.php#qb

You get the point...

**BossChief** · 02-17-2013, 01:44 PM

I can't stand the term "value" in regards to quarterbacks in the draft. It's only relevant when you don't have one.

If a team without a quarterback grades the best college quarterback as a 88 out of 100 and there is a 96 out of 100 player at any other position...your team isn't going anywhere unless you take that 88.

Those 96 guys are there every year, the opportunity to get a quality starting quarterback may not be.

Hammock Parties · 02-17-2013, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

If a team without a quarterback grades the best college quarterback as a 88 out of 100 and there is a 96 out of 100 player at any other position...your team isn't going anywhere unless you take that 88.

Joe Flacco probably wasn't even an 88.

Yet he was, apparently, significantly worse value than Chris Long, Darren McFadden, Glenn Dorsey, Vernon Gholston, Derrick Harvey (lol, what a pick), Leodis McKelvin, Jonathan Stewart, Chris Williams, Branden Albert, DRC and Gosder Cherilus.

Every single one of those teams needed a QB. There's maybe one, two elite players in that entire group. I'd trade four of them for Joe Flacco.

Hammock Parties · 02-17-2013, 01:59 PM

Looking back at that 08 draft, it was really good for the Chiefs, but we had two first round picks and put all the eggs in Brodie Croyle's basket. That was pretty stupid.

Titty Meat · 02-17-2013, 02:02 PM

I will cry more than baby jack at the press conference if we draft Luke Jerkoff

silver5liter · 02-17-2013, 02:05 PM

I dont buy jack shit anyone says until the draft is over.

Titty Meat · 02-17-2013, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1062494.html

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/B...erbacks-041911

http://www.draftcountdown.com/archiv...ankings.php#qb

You get the point...

Most of those guys with the exception of Billick (who couldnt draft a qb for shit) are entertainers and don't know shit.

Anyone who actually watched Gabbert play knew he wouldn't amount to shit.

Messier · 02-17-2013, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Joe Flacco probably wasn't even an 88.

Yet he was, apparently, significantly worse value than Chris Long, Darren McFadden, Glenn Dorsey, Vernon Gholston, Derrick Harvey (lol, what a pick), Leodis McKelvin, Jonathan Stewart, Chris Williams, Branden Albert, DRC and Gosder Cherilus.

Every single one of those teams needed a QB. There's maybe one, two elite players in that entire group. I'd trade four of them for Joe Flacco.

We think that now, but this was a make or break season for Flacco. As recent as last year Flacco was seen as a good, not great middle of the pack QB, a game manager. Before last year, when people were talking Flacco being available, I was ify about him, this season changed his value in a big way.

I don't know there's a QB in this draft that will become Flacco, i think every QB is gonna take time. That's fine I'm willing to do that, but I don't know who that QB will be. I like Smith, but if you asked me who will end up being the best QB in this class and you gave me Geno vs. the field I'd take the field. And I think maybe that's where Dorsey's at, they LIKe several QBs in the draft, they don't love any of them, and they're hoping to find one they love in the next few months.

HolyHat · 02-17-2013, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

I will cry more than baby jack at the press conference if we draft Luke Jerkoff

BABY JACK!

Hammock Parties · 02-17-2013, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier

We think that now, but this was a make or break season for Flacco.

No it wasn't. The guy has been, at the very least, a solid starting QB for four seasons. He hasn't been in the AFC Championship game two years running by some coincidence.

The guy was going to be Baltimore's QB no matter what for the next 5-8 years. You don't just throw away a guy who can get you to 12-4 every year.

The only difference now is he's seen as elite instead of top 12.

Messier · 02-17-2013, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

No it wasn't. The guy has been, at the very least, a solid starting QB for four seasons. He hasn't been in the AFC Championship game two years running by some coincidence.

The guy was going to be Baltimore's QB no matter what for the next 5-8 years. You don't just throw away a guy who can get you to 12-4 every year.

The only difference now is he's seen as elite instead of top 12.

Its was as far as his future with the Ravens. Before the season, it was up in the air whether he'd be back or not.

**DeezNutz** · 02-17-2013, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Joe Flacco probably wasn't even an 88.

Yet he was, apparently, significantly worse value than Chris Long, Darren McFadden, Glenn Dorsey, Vernon Gholston, Derrick Harvey (lol, what a pick), Leodis McKelvin, Jonathan Stewart, Chris Williams, Branden Albert, DRC and Gosder Cherilus.

Every single one of those teams needed a QB. There's maybe one, two elite players in that entire group. I'd trade four of them for Joe Flacco.

The mindset for many in the NFL with regard to evaluating the QB position is still archaic, despite exponential improvement in recent years.

"Value" with QBs is applicable only when a team actually has a QB, as was the case with GB in '05.

**The Bad Guy** · 02-17-2013, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

No it wasn't. The guy has been, at the very least, a solid starting QB for four seasons. He hasn't been in the AFC Championship game two years running by some coincidence.

The guy was going to be Baltimore's QB no matter what for the next 5-8 years. You don't just throw away a guy who can get you to 12-4 every year.

The only difference now is he's seen as elite instead of top 12.

That's not true at all.

He's been solid, but the Ravens won in prior years because of their defense and run game. Both went south this post season but he elevated his game to levels that not many thought.

If Flacco fell flat on his face this year, there's no guarantee he'd be back.

O.city · 02-17-2013, 02:33 PM

He wa a dropped pass and chip shot fg away from back to back SB appearances

02-16-2013, 05:29 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $1929611	Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft By ADAM TEICHER Kansas City Star Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m. 0 CommentsEmailPrintReprints Pros and cons Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit. Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush. Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL. Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL? Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems. KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting. Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied. “There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy. “There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.” The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like. There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons. This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft. More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all. Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks. “I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.” The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington. “Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.” This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib. “The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one. “Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week. “Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.” Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round. “It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said. Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones. Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts. To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews. “The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team. “A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.” Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/02/16/267...#storylink=cpy
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