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TRR · 08-04-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Fisher was the first pick of the entire draft. The best player available in the draft, according to our front office. He should be held to a much higher standard in order for him to be "worth" that pick, and in no way shape or form should he need a "learning year" or whatever.

That was the reason he was such a safe pick (according to some). It's a little upsetting that he's not having a very good camp up to this point, but with all that said, it's camp.

If he has a bad preseason, then we can start getting worried.

Agree that its just camp. Disagree that we should expect Fisher to come in and play at a Pro Bowl level because he was the #1 pick. I completely disagree with your point of the "safe pick.". Anyone that was anyone knew he would need some time adjusting to the NFL level from Central Michigan. He never came close to playing against a Hali or Houston during his entire career in college.

It's going to take some time for him to adjust. Joeckel was the safer pick in my book by far because of the level of competition he faced...Fisher was the more athletic, nastier player that played against sub-par competition.

Quesadilla Joe · 08-04-2013, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

FYP

He got hurt. He's running with the 1's in camp this year.

Pablo · 08-04-2013, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Thig Lyfe

How's Sippio doing?

Currently working on a new single; dubbing over the Phil Collin's masterpiece "Sussudio" with his own last name.

To be released later this year through the same record company that brought us Carson Palmer's barbershop album.

TRR · 08-04-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Oh

I'm just posting exactly what I see with absolutely ZERO bias.

At this point, Fisher is getting walked like a dog a lot more than a first overall pick ever should.

I was hoping to see him be able to handle players like Tyson Jackson and Austin Lane and struggle with guys lie Houston. The guy is struggling against everyone at this point.

Hopefully that changes over the next month and he can handle live action when the regular season starts.

To be completely honest, I feel your biased shows through when you post about Alex Smith. I appreciate your reports, but following others on twitter it seems you leave out good throws by Smith to report on the bad plays he makes. Many reports had him throwing several good TD strikes over the last two practices including good RZ performance...and not a mention.

Bray however!!

Chiefs Pantalones · 08-04-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

HOW IS FISHER LOOKING??

SO STOKED ABOUT OUR STUD RT!!!

I heard he injured his hand (can't remember which one) and he's been blocking pretty much one handed all of camp.

**RealSNR** · 08-04-2013, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Sorry, I couldn't hear you with Geno's cock in your mouth and Copper's in your ass.

All I'm doing is explaining my expectations that I've ALWAYS had for the Fisher pick and commenting on what the reports are. Thus far, they aren't very good at all.

You're the douchebag who's a sensitive weepy vagina about those mean Chiefs fans on the internet who are making fun of FIsher's shitty play. If anybody has a cock in his mouth, it's you.

**BossChief** · 08-04-2013, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Absolutely! Just with some posters here, you would think Bray was doing this with Houston and Hali breathing down his neck on every play. Now when he gets to that point, and does what he is doing now... then I will be taking a seat on his bandwagon.

He was with the 3s and these should be taken with a grain of salt, but it's not like the guy was staring his receiver down and just chucking it.

He scans the field and gets the ball out extremely quickly. The fastest of any of the qbs.

When the ball arrives, the placement today and yesterday was PERFECT. Not just good...PERFECT.

IMO, the guy DESERVES to split the reps with the 2s going forward.

He offers a lot more than Chase Daniels.

**LoneWolf** · 08-04-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

All I'm doing is explaining my expectations that I've ALWAYS had for the Fisher pick and commenting on what the reports are. Thus far, they aren't very good at all.

You're the douchebag who's a sensitive weepy vagina about those mean Chiefs fans on the internet who are making fun of FIsher's shitty play. If anybody has a cock in his mouth, it's you.

The negative reports don't bother me at all. It's week one of camp. What bothers me is people taking camp reports of his play and turning them into justification that KC should have drafted Geno or any other QB at 1.1.

You're not commenting, your bitching and moaning.

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-04-2013, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning

He got hurt. He's running with the 1's in camp this year.

Ahead of 2 career jobbers?

**RealSNR** · 08-04-2013, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

The negative reports don't bother me at all. It's week one of camp. What bothers me is people taking camp reports of his play and turning them into justification that KC should have drafted Geno or any other QB at 1.1.

You're not commenting, your bitching and moaning.

You'll be the first to know if I see anybody doing that.

**Tribal Warfare** · 08-04-2013, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

He was with the 3s and these should be taken with a grain of salt, but it's not like the guy was staring his receiver down and just chucking it.

He scans the field and gets the ball out extremely quickly. The fastest of any of the qbs.

When the ball arrives, the placement today and yesterday was PERFECT. Not just good...PERFECT.

IMO, the guy DESERVES to split the reps with the 2s going forward.

He offers a lot more than Chase Daniels.

I've been saying this since the beginning of his Junior year if he sets up properly Bray displays glimpses of greatness. Which is why the comparison to Marino is valid because if he gets shit together then we have our Franchise QB instead of the continuum of stopgaps and/or game managers.

Chiefs Pantalones · 08-04-2013, 11:32 AM

ST. JOSEPH, Mo. -- The case for the Kansas City Chiefs as this year's most improved team is pretty easy.

Owner Clark Hunt hired the best available coach on the market, Andy Reid. The former Philadelphia Eagles coach inherits a defense that features four Pro Bowlers and two more -- cornerback Brandon Flowers and Dontari Poe -- who could be next in line. General manager John Dorsey brokered a trade to acquire quarterback Alex Smith, who joins an offense that features one of the league's best runners (Jamaal Charles) and one of its better receiving threats (Dwayne Bowe).

Plus, the Chiefs play one of the league's easiest schedules, including a road slate with opponents whose 2012 records were a combined .406 win percentage.

Some experts touted the Chiefs as a potential playoff team a year ago, but they ended up 2-14 and picking first in the draft. Seeing Reid install a blue-collar work ethic on a team more talented than two wins means the Chiefs could be one of the league's top candidates to surprise in 2013.

Here are the five things I learned at Chiefs camp.

1. Training camp position battles: The best battle is at tight end, where Anthony Fasano, Tony Moeaki and third-round pick Travis Kelce are fighting for playing time. Fasano is getting first-team reps, but Reid likes all three and will try to find ways to give them all playing time.

Clayton's Camp Tour
• Browns: Still rebuilding
• Jets: Ryan's tough task
• Bills: Team in a hurry
• Colts: Easing Luck's burden
• Bears: Trusting Trestman
• Chiefs: Poised to surprise?
• Training camp page

The only spot available on the offensive line is at left guard. Jeff Allen, a second-round pick last year, has a slight advantage over veteran Geoff Schwartz.

Bowe and Jon Baldwin are the starting wide receivers, but everything is open after that. Donnie Avery appears to be the No. 3, but Reid is intrigued by using Dexter McCluster out of the slot. Devon Wylie is also vying for time at the slot receiver spot.

Things are pretty set on defense, but a nice battle could emerge at inside linebacker between Akeem Jordan, also from the Eagles, and fourth-round choice Nico Johnson.

Although the Chiefs are solid at the starting spots, their roster isn't very deep. Injuries will be a problem if they happen, and the Chiefs could be looking for players on the waiver wire and possible trades as September approaches.

2. Alex Smith's great attitude: Few quarterbacks have endured more tough times than Smith. The first pick in the 2005 draft, Smith annually went through coordinator changes and losing seasons with the San Francisco 49ers. Once, his toughness was called out by former 49ers coach Mike Nolan, although Smith has always been tough. He's been benched but kept coming back for more, even offering to return to the 49ers at a reasonable price during contract talks.

Then came Jim Harbaugh.

Under Harbaugh, Smith played his best, helping the 49ers go to the 2011 NFC Championship Game. But an injury last year opened the door for Colin Kaepernick to replace him in what turned out to be a Super Bowl run.

Talking to Smith now that he's been traded to Kansas City, it's easy to see his competitiveness and his desire to prove the 49ers wrong in letting him go. Yes, he's on a mission. On the field, he's working nonstop with his offense and coaching up the young receivers. His presence will determine whether the Chiefs can be successful this year.

AP Photo/Charlie Riedel
Alex Smith hopes to point the Chiefs in the right direction: a spot in the postseason, to be specific.
Harbaugh designed plays that work to Smith's strengths and hid his weaknesses. Smith doesn't have the strongest arm, so Harbaugh didn't ask him to throw much downfield. He surrounded him with a strong running attack and a conservative game plan. Reid will have him work on timing routes and running the West Coast offense. Before getting hurt last year, Smith was completing more than 70 percent of his passes. His numbers won't come close to that in Kansas City, but he should be efficient enough to throw in the low 60 percent rate and move the offense more consistently than it has moved the past four years.
3. Press coverage by the cornerbacks: The most pleasant surprise at Chiefs camp was seeing cornerbacks at the line of scrimmage pressing wide receivers in coverage. Reid mostly used a 4-3 scheme in his Philadelphia days, but the Chiefs are built with 3-4 personnel -- a defense that often calls for more zone coverage. Seeing cornerbacks Brandon Flowers and free-agent acquisition Sean Smith jam receivers at the line of scrimmage was a thrill.

By playing press-man coverage, the Chiefs can put together blitz packages to pressure opposing quarterbacks. Flowers is one of the top five corners in the AFC even though he's been a few votes shy of the Pro Bowl the past couple of years.

If you wonder whether Flowers is ready for this year, he ran two to three miles a night in the offseason before he went to sleep.

Smith is a pressing 6-foot-3 corner who matches up against tall receivers and can take them out of their routes. Dorsey signed former Falcons cornerback Dunta Robinson to be the third corner, joining an impressive secondary that also features Eric Berry, a Pro Bowl-caliber safety.

4. The new Jamaal Charles: Adrian Peterson challenged Eric Dickerson's career rushing record in 2012 coming off a knee reconstruction; Charles' comeback from the same injury was understated by comparison. He rushed for 1,509 yards on 285 carries and averaged a remarkable 5.3 yards a carry.

Reid's West Coast offense will add even more to Charles' plate. When it comes to a choice between calling a run or a pass, Reid prefers to pass. He considers a screen or short pass to a running back a "running-type play." Charles has never caught more than 45 passes in a season, but you'll see a lot of plays that resemble what Reid did with Brian Westbrook and so many of his old Philly backs. He'll try to get the ball in Charles' hands and watch him run. Charles has great speed, particularly to the outside.

The passing elements might prevent him from being one of few 300-carry backs in the league, but combine his rushes and passes out of the backfield and he'll be one of the busiest.

5. Eric Fisher is the perfect type of lineman for Reid: As a Mike Holmgren student of the West Coast offense, Reid stresses protection and has always been aggressive in trying to build tough, talented offensive lines.

Fisher, the first pick in the draft, has already won him over, although Fisher occasionally struggles against experienced defenders in practice. He has athletic skills similar to Joe Thomas of the Cleveland Browns, but what pleases Reid is Fisher's toughness. In his first training camp practice, Fisher badly injured two fingers on his right hand. He stayed in practice and tried to go against defenders mostly left-handed. Within a few days, he did some damage to his left hand. Those injuries have caused him to be a little inconsistent blocking, but Reid isn't concerned. Fisher is smart, talented and dedicated. With Branden Albert doing well at left tackle, the offensive line is looking solid.

**BossChief** · 08-04-2013, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

He was good yesterday, except on the inside swim move. I looked for how extra crappy everyone said he was, didn't see it. He might end up sucking, but you'd think he was just awful based on reports, but he held his own most of the time.

no, he didnt.

If you couldn't see it, you don't have a clue what you're watching.

Sorry.

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Originally Posted by TRR

To be completely honest, I feel your biased shows through when you post about Alex Smith. I appreciate your reports, but following others on twitter it seems you leave out good throws by Smith to report on the bad plays he makes. Many reports had him throwing several good TD strikes over the last two practices including good RZ performance...and not a mention.

Bray however!!

I have made a lot of posts about Smith doing well.

You must have ignored those.

Shit, I even said he is the best QB in camp... all things considered.

I swear, some of you should be forced to get vasectomies.

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones

I heard he injured his hand (can't remember which one) and he's been blocking pretty much one handed all of camp.

That actually makes some sense.

I even commented that his hand punch was either non exist ant at ties or was completely futile.

IMO, his biggest problems are his kick step and his weight transfer to protect the inside transition pass rush moves. He needs to play lower and use his hips/knees a lot more and hopefully that comes in time...like the next month worth of time.

**BossChief** · 08-04-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

The negative reports don't bother me at all. It's week one of camp. What bothers me is people taking camp reports of his play and turning them into justification that KC should have drafted Geno or any other QB at 1.1.

You're not commenting, your bitching and moaning.

You are delusional. Nobody has said these things you keep fantasizing about.

**BossChief** · 08-04-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Agree that its just camp. Disagree that we should expect Fisher to come in and play at a Pro Bowl level because he was the #1 pick. I completely disagree with your point of the "safe pick.". Anyone that was anyone knew he would need some time adjusting to the NFL level from Central Michigan. He never came close to playing against a Hali or Houston during his entire career in college.

It's going to take some time for him to adjust. Joeckel was the safer pick in my book by far because of the level of competition he faced...Fisher was the more athletic, nastier player that played against sub-par competition.

Just like the common trr outlook...

Everybody, we shouldn't have expectations for any of our football players. Regardless of where they are picked or how they are acquired.

07-22-2013, 09:10 AM
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Chiefs Pantalones GO CHIEFS!!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $7918717	ST. JOSEPH, Mo. -- The case for the Kansas City Chiefs as this year's most improved team is pretty easy. Owner Clark Hunt hired the best available coach on the market, Andy Reid. The former Philadelphia Eagles coach inherits a defense that features four Pro Bowlers and two more -- cornerback Brandon Flowers and Dontari Poe -- who could be next in line. General manager John Dorsey brokered a trade to acquire quarterback Alex Smith, who joins an offense that features one of the league's best runners (Jamaal Charles) and one of its better receiving threats (Dwayne Bowe). Plus, the Chiefs play one of the league's easiest schedules, including a road slate with opponents whose 2012 records were a combined .406 win percentage. Some experts touted the Chiefs as a potential playoff team a year ago, but they ended up 2-14 and picking first in the draft. Seeing Reid install a blue-collar work ethic on a team more talented than two wins means the Chiefs could be one of the league's top candidates to surprise in 2013. Here are the five things I learned at Chiefs camp. 1. Training camp position battles: The best battle is at tight end, where Anthony Fasano, Tony Moeaki and third-round pick Travis Kelce are fighting for playing time. Fasano is getting first-team reps, but Reid likes all three and will try to find ways to give them all playing time. Clayton's Camp Tour • Browns: Still rebuilding • Jets: Ryan's tough task • Bills: Team in a hurry • Colts: Easing Luck's burden • Bears: Trusting Trestman • Chiefs: Poised to surprise? • Training camp page The only spot available on the offensive line is at left guard. Jeff Allen, a second-round pick last year, has a slight advantage over veteran Geoff Schwartz. Bowe and Jon Baldwin are the starting wide receivers, but everything is open after that. Donnie Avery appears to be the No. 3, but Reid is intrigued by using Dexter McCluster out of the slot. Devon Wylie is also vying for time at the slot receiver spot. Things are pretty set on defense, but a nice battle could emerge at inside linebacker between Akeem Jordan, also from the Eagles, and fourth-round choice Nico Johnson. Although the Chiefs are solid at the starting spots, their roster isn't very deep. Injuries will be a problem if they happen, and the Chiefs could be looking for players on the waiver wire and possible trades as September approaches. 2. Alex Smith's great attitude: Few quarterbacks have endured more tough times than Smith. The first pick in the 2005 draft, Smith annually went through coordinator changes and losing seasons with the San Francisco 49ers. Once, his toughness was called out by former 49ers coach Mike Nolan, although Smith has always been tough. He's been benched but kept coming back for more, even offering to return to the 49ers at a reasonable price during contract talks. Then came Jim Harbaugh. Under Harbaugh, Smith played his best, helping the 49ers go to the 2011 NFC Championship Game. But an injury last year opened the door for Colin Kaepernick to replace him in what turned out to be a Super Bowl run. Talking to Smith now that he's been traded to Kansas City, it's easy to see his competitiveness and his desire to prove the 49ers wrong in letting him go. Yes, he's on a mission. On the field, he's working nonstop with his offense and coaching up the young receivers. His presence will determine whether the Chiefs can be successful this year. AP Photo/Charlie Riedel Alex Smith hopes to point the Chiefs in the right direction: a spot in the postseason, to be specific. Harbaugh designed plays that work to Smith's strengths and hid his weaknesses. Smith doesn't have the strongest arm, so Harbaugh didn't ask him to throw much downfield. He surrounded him with a strong running attack and a conservative game plan. Reid will have him work on timing routes and running the West Coast offense. Before getting hurt last year, Smith was completing more than 70 percent of his passes. His numbers won't come close to that in Kansas City, but he should be efficient enough to throw in the low 60 percent rate and move the offense more consistently than it has moved the past four years. 3. Press coverage by the cornerbacks: The most pleasant surprise at Chiefs camp was seeing cornerbacks at the line of scrimmage pressing wide receivers in coverage. Reid mostly used a 4-3 scheme in his Philadelphia days, but the Chiefs are built with 3-4 personnel -- a defense that often calls for more zone coverage. Seeing cornerbacks Brandon Flowers and free-agent acquisition Sean Smith jam receivers at the line of scrimmage was a thrill. By playing press-man coverage, the Chiefs can put together blitz packages to pressure opposing quarterbacks. Flowers is one of the top five corners in the AFC even though he's been a few votes shy of the Pro Bowl the past couple of years. If you wonder whether Flowers is ready for this year, he ran two to three miles a night in the offseason before he went to sleep. Smith is a pressing 6-foot-3 corner who matches up against tall receivers and can take them out of their routes. Dorsey signed former Falcons cornerback Dunta Robinson to be the third corner, joining an impressive secondary that also features Eric Berry, a Pro Bowl-caliber safety. 4. The new Jamaal Charles: Adrian Peterson challenged Eric Dickerson's career rushing record in 2012 coming off a knee reconstruction; Charles' comeback from the same injury was understated by comparison. He rushed for 1,509 yards on 285 carries and averaged a remarkable 5.3 yards a carry. Reid's West Coast offense will add even more to Charles' plate. When it comes to a choice between calling a run or a pass, Reid prefers to pass. He considers a screen or short pass to a running back a "running-type play." Charles has never caught more than 45 passes in a season, but you'll see a lot of plays that resemble what Reid did with Brian Westbrook and so many of his old Philly backs. He'll try to get the ball in Charles' hands and watch him run. Charles has great speed, particularly to the outside. The passing elements might prevent him from being one of few 300-carry backs in the league, but combine his rushes and passes out of the backfield and he'll be one of the busiest. 5. Eric Fisher is the perfect type of lineman for Reid: As a Mike Holmgren student of the West Coast offense, Reid stresses protection and has always been aggressive in trying to build tough, talented offensive lines. Fisher, the first pick in the draft, has already won him over, although Fisher occasionally struggles against experienced defenders in practice. He has athletic skills similar to Joe Thomas of the Cleveland Browns, but what pleases Reid is Fisher's toughness. In his first training camp practice, Fisher badly injured two fingers on his right hand. He stayed in practice and tried to go against defenders mostly left-handed. Within a few days, he did some damage to his left hand. Those injuries have caused him to be a little inconsistent blocking, but Reid isn't concerned. Fisher is smart, talented and dedicated. With Branden Albert doing well at left tackle, the offensive line is looking solid. __________________ Don't be fooled by my username, I'm white. Last edited by Chiefs Pantalones; 08-04-2013 at 11:38 AM..
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