Chiefs The case for Nick Foles - Page 10

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-20-2013, 02:01 PM

OP would apparantly "not call Foles" much of jack-shit. Sweet! Now; hows about a link to the "Geno/Wilson/Safety"-piece?
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HolyHat · 02-20-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie

OP would apparantly "not call Foles" much of jack-shit. Sweet! Now; hows about a link to the "Geno/Wilson/Safety"-piece?
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Geno
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/1...iefs-no-1-pick

Wilson
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/1...raft-pick-2013

Safety
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/2...as-city-chiefs

Mr_Tomahawk · 02-20-2013, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Pink

Geno
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/1...iefs-no-1-pick

Wilson
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/1...raft-pick-2013

Safety
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/2...as-city-chiefs

LOL. Nice.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-20-2013, 02:10 PM

top man.
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**RealSNR** · 02-20-2013, 02:42 PM

If we do a Foles trade, I'd actually rather eat the value at the top than miss out on some of the quality starters that can be had in the middle rounds this year. In particular, that's where the Packers excelled at drafting the past several years, so I'm only to assume that Dorsey's got this shit under control when it comes to that department.

Give Philly the #1 overall. Take their #4 overall, Foles, a middle round this year, and next year's 1st.

That would be the ONLY fair trade in terms of value, but there's no effing way Philly goes for that deal just so they can get an OT or a DE. If they're interested in Geno, then maybe they would go for it. Likely, we would have to leave out one of the parameters of that trade, which would mean we're taking it up the ass pretty hard. And even THEN, the Eagles still wouldn't do that trade if they like Foles as much as they say they do.

So we're back to square one. No option we take is "good value" unless it's a QB with the first pick.

Y'know what, it's easier to just say "**** Foles" and move on with Geno.

HolyHat · 02-20-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Y'know what, it's easier to just say "**** Foles" and move on with Geno.

Yes, yes it is.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-20-2013, 03:00 PM

It sure is. And after reading that piece, I think BJ deserves a BJ. Clay?
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Hammock Parties · 02-20-2013, 03:00 PM

oh hell no

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-21-2013, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

oh hell no

I'm thinking you owe me a proxy-BJ in light of Pollards new ring. In fact, I recall saying something to the effect that Pollard would get one before LJ ever did, yes...
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DJ's left nut · 02-20-2013, 03:28 PM

Completely tangential point arising from my argument against 2 high picks on QBs - if Matt Barkley fell to the 2nd, I'd take him there even if we took Geno at 1.

I know it's half crazy, but if Barkley really did have a shoulder injury in 2012 that sapped him of the authority on his throws, you could give him some rest as Geno's backup and get one hell of a quarterback for your efforts. At worst he nets you a first rounder or a nice young roster player.

By the end of the 2011 season, he was a lock as a top 10 pick and his arm looked solid. I do think there may be some truth to the idea that his arm was hurting him in 2012.

That said, I can't see any way that Jax lets him get by them at 2.1.

**RealSNR** · 02-20-2013, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Completely tangential point arising from my argument against 2 high picks on QBs - if Matt Barkley fell to the 2nd, I'd take him there even if we took Geno at 1.

I know it's half crazy, but if Barkley really did have a shoulder injury in 2012 that sapped him of the authority on his throws, you could give him some rest as Geno's backup and get one hell of a quarterback for your efforts. At worst he nets you a first rounder or a nice young roster player.

By the end of the 2011 season, he was a lock as a top 10 pick and his arm looked solid. I do think there may be some truth to the idea that his arm was hurting him in 2012.

That said, I can't see any way that Jax lets him get by them at 2.1.

Wow. I don't disagree with you or anything, but why spend a high first and second on Geno and Barkley and not a high first on Geno and a high 3rd/4th on Foles?

DJ's left nut · 02-20-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Wow. I don't disagree with you or anything, but why spend a high first and second on Geno and Barkley and not a high first on Geno and a high 3rd/4th on Foles?

Because I think Barkley has upside that Foles doesn't. I have to go back to 2011 to get there, but I remember him going toe to toe with Andrew Luck and not looking a hell of a lot worse than Luck in the process.

I wouldn't risk a 1st getting him here because that shoulder may never be right again. But at the cost of a 2nd, he really could be a steal. And I'll admit, this comes mostly from the time I spent last season selling myself on him as a worthy consolation after not sucking badly enough for Luck. When all was said and done, I really did like the guy...until he stayed in.

Sorter · 02-20-2013, 03:56 PM

If Barkley fell to 34, I'd have no problem using that pick on him. I'd probably hesitate depending on what other players fell but he'd definitely be near or at the top of my list, as crazy as it sounds taking a QB at 1.1 and at 2.2.

mcaj22 · 02-20-2013, 04:12 PM

lol at the Eagles fan that would do a 4th + Jalil Brown for Foles

if it were only that easy

RunKC · 02-20-2013, 04:16 PM

I know a lot of people are shitting on Foles, but what he did the last month with no DeSean Jackson, Jason Peters and a beat up LeSean McCoy is actually impressive.

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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $2230208	If we do a Foles trade, I'd actually rather eat the value at the top than miss out on some of the quality starters that can be had in the middle rounds this year. In particular, that's where the Packers excelled at drafting the past several years, so I'm only to assume that Dorsey's got this shit under control when it comes to that department. Give Philly the #1 overall. Take their #4 overall, Foles, a middle round this year, and next year's 1st. That would be the ONLY fair trade in terms of value, but there's no effing way Philly goes for that deal just so they can get an OT or a DE. If they're interested in Geno, then maybe they would go for it. Likely, we would have to leave out one of the parameters of that trade, which would mean we're taking it up the ass pretty hard. And even THEN, the Eagles still wouldn't do that trade if they like Foles as much as they say they do. So we're back to square one. No option we take is "good value" unless it's a QB with the first pick. Y'know what, it's easier to just say "**** Foles" and move on with Geno.
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2869099	Completely tangential point arising from my argument against 2 high picks on QBs - if Matt Barkley fell to the 2nd, I'd take him there even if we took Geno at 1. I know it's half crazy, but if Barkley really did have a shoulder injury in 2012 that sapped him of the authority on his throws, you could give him some rest as Geno's backup and get one hell of a quarterback for your efforts. At worst he nets you a first rounder or a nice young roster player. By the end of the 2011 season, he was a lock as a top 10 pick and his arm looked solid. I do think there may be some truth to the idea that his arm was hurting him in 2012. That said, I can't see any way that Jax lets him get by them at 2.1. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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