Luke Joeckel may pique Chiefs’ interest at No. 1 overall

[tooge]

Hey, the majority of people in the NFL, Kansas City, the pundits, etc, all thought Clark hit a home run with that one. Everyone makes mistakes. It'd be like my patients questioning the dental materials I use and calling me a dumbass if I don't use some brand they like. Or calling your mechanic a dipshit because they use a brand of lubricant you aren't familiar with. Let the experts be the experts. If it blows up in their face, then be critical of them for it (ala Pioli).

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by tooge

Hey, the majority of people in the NFL, Kansas City, the pundits, etc, all thought Clark hit a home run with that one. Everyone makes mistakes. It'd be like my patients questioning the dental materials I use and calling me a dumbass if I don't use some brand they like. Or calling your mechanic a dipshit because they use a brand of lubricant you aren't familiar with. Let the experts be the experts. If it blows up in their face, then be critical of them for it (ala *****).

Highly trained and educated professional who has performed thousands of delicate procedures and made thousands of hard decisions involving the health and well-being of thousands of people with over a 99% success rate

Equals

Guy who works for a sports franchise, whose job does not require the professional and tense fortitude built upon years of highly focused training, whose decisions don't affect the health and well-being of thousands of people, and whose decisions on player personnel have a success rate at or around 30%

And I thought doctors were supposed to be smart. Remind me never to go to you even if you're the last dentist on earth.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

And I thought doctors were supposed to be smart. Remind me never to go to you even if you're the last dentist on earth.

Some of you guys have lost your ****ing minds over this subject.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Some of you guys have lost your ****ing minds over this subject.

in my case i will admit that it happened years ago, and this subject had nothing to do with it

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Some of you guys have lost your ****ing minds over this subject.

Not really. Comparing any type of medical doctor and his/her level of expertise to a FO Exec. for a professional franchise is ridiculous.

[tooge]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Not really. Comparing any type of medical doctor and his/her level of expertise to a FO Exec. for a professional franchise is ridiculous.

I'm not comparing them. I'm trying to illustrate the obviouse fact that people in the FO are paid to scout players and go over tape from angles and sources that people on CP don't, and won't ever see. They interview players and have direct insight about players from their college coaches. And yet, if they don't do what some shmo on CP wants them to do, said schmo will be pissed at them. why so difficult to understand.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Some of you guys have lost your ****ing minds over this subject.

Really? You of all people? The guy who says, "Go **** your mother" when somebody posts some shitassed piece of idiotic tripe (like tooge just did) is telling me to tone down the hyperbole?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

Really? You of all people? The guy who says, "Go **** your mother" when somebody posts some shitassed piece of idiotic tripe (like tooge just did) is telling me to tone down the hyperbole?

Maybe I'm getting soft in my old age. But ripping a guy professionally because his football views are different from yours or mine is a bit much, IMO.

And since my return, I've toned down the hyperbole considerably. I've grown tired and weary of calling people names just because they are either not as informed or have a different opinion from mine.

Plus, I've known Tooge since we were 12 or 13 years old. He's good people and far from the village idiot.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by SNR

Highly trained and educated professional who has performed thousands of delicate procedures and made thousands of hard decisions involving the health and well-being of thousands of people with over a 99% success rate

Equals

Guy who works for a sports franchise, whose job does not require the professional and tense fortitude built upon years of highly focused training, whose decisions don't affect the health and well-being of thousands of people, and whose decisions on player personnel have a success rate at or around 30%

And I thought doctors were supposed to be smart. Remind me never to go to you even if you're the last dentist on earth.

Idk man Scott Pioli affected the health and well being of this entire fan base for the last 2 years. There wasn't enough Prozac to help stomach through the Matt Cassel era

[tooge]

Originally Posted by SNR

Highly trained and educated professional who has performed thousands of delicate procedures and made thousands of hard decisions involving the health and well-being of thousands of people with over a 99% success rate

Equals

Guy who works for a sports franchise, whose job does not require the professional and tense fortitude built upon years of highly focused training, whose decisions don't affect the health and well-being of thousands of people, and whose decisions on player personnel have a success rate at or around 30%

And I thought doctors were supposed to be smart. Remind me never to go to you even if you're the last dentist on earth.

I don't like dense patients, so don't bother calling my office. I prefer my patients own their own problems. If you are unable to understand that the fact that John Dorsey doesn't make decisions that affect the health of people, in no way diminishes his expertise and professionalism, then you are the idiot here. The guy has been in the NFL for over 20 years. I think he knows more about scouting individuals coming out of college and what to look for in a player better than 99% of the untrained people out there.

I'm not a mechanic, but I'm restoring an old jeep. I'd love to have the knowledge of a mechanic while I was doing it, but I'm having to learn as I go. I'd think after twenty such restorations, I'd probably have a pretty good handle on what I'm doing. It has nothing to do with health. Yes, I do thousands of intricate procedures a year, and yes, it takes some important decision making to do it correctly 100 percent of the time. You are clueless. Will someone explain this to SNR?

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by tooge

I don't like dense patients, so don't bother calling my office. I prefer my patients own their own problems. If you are unable to understand that the fact that John Dorsey doesn't make decisions that affect the health of people, in no way diminishes his expertise and professionalism, then you are the idiot here. The guy has been in the NFL for over 20 years. I think he knows more about scouting individuals coming out of college and what to look for in a player better than 99% of the untrained people out there.

I'm not a mechanic, but I'm restoring an old jeep. I'd love to have the knowledge of a mechanic while I was doing it, but I'm having to learn as I go. I'd think after twenty such restorations, I'd probably have a pretty good handle on what I'm doing. It has nothing to do with health. Yes, I do thousands of intricate procedures a year, and yes, it takes some important decision making to do it correctly 100 percent of the time. You are clueless. Will someone explain this to SNR?

If Pioli trades for Cassel, I'll defer to the former's opinion since no one knows the player better.

No one save a fair number of posters on this site, of course.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If ***** trades for Cassel, I'll defer to the former's opinion since no one knows the player better.

No one save a fair number of posters on this site, of course.

Yup.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If ***** trades for Cassel, I'll defer to the former's opinion since no one knows the player better.

No one save a fair number of posters on this site, of course.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by tooge

I don't like dense patients, so don't bother calling my office. I prefer my patients own their own problems. If you are unable to understand that the fact that John Dorsey doesn't make decisions that affect the health of people, in no way diminishes his expertise and professionalism, then you are the idiot here. The guy has been in the NFL for over 20 years. I think he knows more about scouting individuals coming out of college and what to look for in a player better than 99% of the untrained people out there.

I'm not a mechanic, but I'm restoring an old jeep. I'd love to have the knowledge of a mechanic while I was doing it, but I'm having to learn as I go. I'd think after twenty such restorations, I'd probably have a pretty good handle on what I'm doing. It has nothing to do with health. Yes, I do thousands of intricate procedures a year, and yes, it takes some important decision making to do it correctly 100 percent of the time. You are clueless. Will someone explain this to SNR?

Thanks for ignoring my entire point, jackass.

Let's say the field of dentistry had a success rate of operations the same as a GM making decisions for a football team. I'll bet you people wouldn't trust dentists so much. And yes, they WOULD question every single procedure, technique, and brand of tool that you use. They'd demand accountability. And above all, they themselves would try to learn as much as they could about dentistry.

Thankfully the field of dentistry is not that way. But the NFL Draft IS that way. It's a crapshoot. Even the great GMs (like hopefully Dorsey) are lucky to get a 50% return on any given draft. It's a case where quite often fans and sports bloggers are just as successful at picking out really good football players as professional scouts/GMs/experts. If you don't believe me, check out some of the teams drafted by CP's own in the Chiefs Planet Mock Draft we hold every year.

That doesn't mean fans are capable of doing what Dorsey does, but it DOES mean that we're educated in his field just enough to be skeptical consumers of the product he serves us (the Chiefs football team). We're the ones who buy the tickets, merchandise, and spend our Sundays watching football and talking about it on the internet. It's enough of an investment that we should absolutely question his decision-making. And you know what? More often than not we'll be right just as often as we're wrong. The exact same percentage you see from most NFL executives.

[tooge]

Originally Posted by SNR

Thanks for ignoring my entire point, jackass.

Let's say the field of dentistry had a success rate of operations the same as a GM making decisions for a football team. I'll bet you people wouldn't trust dentists so much. And yes, they WOULD question every single procedure, technique, and brand of tool that you use. They'd demand accountability. And above all, they themselves would try to learn as much as they could about dentistry.

Thankfully the field of dentistry is not that way. But the NFL Draft IS that way. It's a crapshoot. Even the great GMs (like hopefully Dorsey) are lucky to get a 50% return on any given draft. It's a case where quite often fans and sports bloggers are just as successful at picking out really good football players as professional scouts/GMs/experts. If you don't believe me, check out some of the teams drafted by CP's own in the Chiefs Planet Mock Draft we hold every year.

That doesn't mean fans are capable of doing what Dorsey does, but it DOES mean that we're educated in his field just enough to be skeptical consumers of the product he serves us (the Chiefs football team). We're the ones who buy the tickets, merchandise, and spend our Sundays watching football and talking about it on the internet. It's enough of an investment that we should absolutely question his decision-making. And you know what? More often than not we'll be right just as often as we're wrong. The exact same percentage you see from most NFL executives.

Being called a jackass for having a different opinion that you says quite a bit about you. Now, lets see if you can understand this. Forget what I do for a living for a moment if you would. Fans can be skeptical all they want. They pay the money that runs the NFL. However, to insinuate that fans know as much about the players coming out of college as the NFL FO people is ludicrous. And if you accept that as fact, then to say a fan would be "pissed" at a draft pick, before the player even has a chance to don pads, is ludicrous. We, as fans, have the benefit of hindsight to bash these guys picking the college players, so don't act like you've got it all figured out. If you do, then why don't you write down all the guys you think every team should draft, round by round, and why. We can then discuss this in three years to see if you have any credibility.