* Kansas City Royals @ Philadelphia Phillies Game Thread (4/6) *

[alnorth]

Final	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	R	H	E
KC (2-3)	0	0	0	0	2	0	1	0	0	3	6	0
PHI (2-3)	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	3	4	3	2

Luis Mendoza 6IP 1R 1ER 3BB 7K
Hold, (2) Aaron Crow 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Hold, (2) Kelvin Herrera 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 2K
Blown Save, (1); Loss, (0-1) Greg Holland ⅔IP 3R 3ER 3BB 2K

VS.



John Lannan 7IP 3R 3ER 0BB 5K
Mike Adams 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Win, (1-0) Antonio Bastardo 1IP 0R 0ER 1BB 0K

Home Runs

none

AL Central

Final: SEA 3, CWS 4
Final: NYY 4, DET 8
Final: MIN 6, BAL 5
Final: CLE 0, TB 6

Starting Lineups

KC

1. Alex Gordon, LF
2. Alcides Escobar, SS
3. Billy Butler, 1B
3. Jarrod Dyson, pr
3. Kelvin Herrera, P
3. Greg Holland, P
4. Salvador Perez, C
5. Lorenzo Cain, CF
6. Jeff Francoeur, RF
7. Miguel Tejada, 3B
7. Aaron Crow, P
7. Eric Hosmer, 1B
8. Elliot Johnson, 2B/3B
9. Luis Mendoza, P
9. Chris Getz, ph/2B

PHI

1. Ben Revere, CF
2. Jimmy Rollins, SS
3. Chase Utley, 2B
4. Ryan Howard, 1B
4. Ezequiel Carrera, pr
5. Michael Young, 3B
6. Domonic Brown, LF
7. John Mayberry, RF
8. Humberto Quintero, C
8. Kevin Frandsen, ph
9. John Lannan, P
9. Mike Adams, P
9. Laynce Nix, ph
9. Antonio Bastardo, P

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

This.

Why not let Crow pitch the 8th and if he gets in trouble, bring Herrerea. If he clears the 8th, bring Holland. If Holland starts to stink up the 9th then you have Herrera in reserve. But nooooooo....

If Mendoza went 8 innings, there still would have been no one available. You wont have someone warming up in the beginning of the 9th, or after the first walk. Maybe after the 2nd walk, but probably not.

No one would be available, under any circumstances whatsoever in the real world, to relieve Holland after the 3rd batter. Then Holland gets the 4th and 5th guy out, no one is going to relieve him then.

There is absolutely no way to blame this fiasco on Yost.

Sometimes, you have to blame the players, even if you wish every single loss could always be laid at the feet of the manager.

[stonedstooge]

Holland got rattled on that called ball 4 on Utley. Didn't recover. End of story

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Im-F'ing-possible.

They are not going to have someone warming up at the beginning of the inning. No one is going to be even available to pitch after the 2nd walk.

only by your Baseball for Dummies Handbook rules.

Everyone could see he wasn't just walking people, he was struggling with his control.

During the 1st walk, you start to worry
During the 2nd walk, you get somebody warming up
after the 2nd walk, you start playing games to delay to give time for someone else

You don't say 'screw it'

Hard enough for us to win without giving up on games just because of some stupid tradition

[kstater]

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones

Closers blow games. Rivera is the ****ing exception, he's superhuman.

Exactly...Rivera ruined a lot of peoples thoughts on closers because he's a once in a 100 year player.

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by alnorth

If Mendoza went 8 innings, there still would have been no one available. You wont have someone warming up in the beginning of the 9th, or after the first walk. Maybe after the 2nd walk, but probably not.

No one would be available, under any circumstances whatsoever in the real world, to relieve Holland after the 3rd batter. Then Holland gets the 4th and 5th guy out, no one is going to relieve him then.

There is absolutely no way to blame this fiasco on Yost.

Sometimes, you have to blame the players, even if you wish every single loss could always be laid at the feet of the manager.

Some people are too ****ing stupid to understand this.

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

only by your Baseball for Dummies Handbook rules.

Everyone could see he wasn't just walking people, he was struggling with his control.

During the 1st walk, you start to worry
During the 2nd walk, you get somebody warming up
after the 2nd walk, you start playing games to delay to give time for someone else

You don't say 'screw it'

Hard enough for us to win without giving up on games just because of some stupid tradition

He then struck the next 2 guys out. So you replace him then?

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

only by your Baseball for Dummies Handbook rules.

Everyone could see he wasn't just walking people, he was struggling with his control.

During the 1st walk, you start to worry
During the 2nd walk, you get somebody warming up
after the 2nd walk, you start playing games to delay to give time for someone else

You don't say 'screw it'

Hard enough for us to win without giving up on games just because of some stupid tradition

I don't think this is unrealistic... but no manager is going to take him out after he obliterated two straight hitters. If Yost pulls Holland after the two strikeouts and the next guy loses the game, people would be destroying him.

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by KevB

Holland throws mid to high 90's with an out pitch slider. He's got closer stuff. Guy had 91 K's in 67 innings last year.

Yes, don't get me wrong Holland is dirty, and one hell of a talented pitcher. Herrera is just flat unhittable when he's on, and can overpower even the best hitters. Perfect closer.

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

only by your Baseball for Dummies Handbook rules.

Everyone could see he wasn't just walking people, he was struggling with his control.

During the 1st walk, you start to worry
During the 2nd walk, you get somebody warming up
after the 2nd walk, you start playing games to delay to give time for someone else

You don't say 'screw it'

Hard enough for us to win without giving up on games just because of some stupid tradition

During first walk you start to worry? WTF?

Then you get someone up while he's pitching to the second hitter?

And that guy is going to be ready after one batter?

This is just too much.

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by kstater

Exactly...Rivera ruined a lot of peoples thoughts on closers because he's a once in a 100 year player.

He's the only closer that will ever be that good .

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

only by your Baseball for Dummies Handbook rules.

Everyone could see he wasn't just walking people, he was struggling with his control.

During the 1st walk, you start to worry
During the 2nd walk, you get somebody warming up
after the 2nd walk, you start playing games to delay to give time for someone else

You don't say 'screw it'

Hard enough for us to win without giving up on games just because of some stupid tradition

every single person in the entire baseball world who cashes a paycheck from a MLB team reads that handbook.

You are asking for, not a competent manager, but for someone who is relatively an innovative genius.

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by tk13

I don't think this is unrealistic... but no manager is going to take him out after he obliterated two straight hitters. If Yost pulls Holland after the two strikeouts and the next guy loses the game, people would be destroying him.

No it is unrealistic.

[KevB]

Last year Holland had an ERA of 11+ in March/April, then dominated the rest of the year. Maybe he's not comfortable in colder weather?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by doomy3

During first walk you start to worry? WTF?

Then you get someone up while he's pitching to the second hitter?

And that guy is going to be ready after one batter?

This is just too much.

yea, yea ... you baseball guys are just so much smarter than the rest of us


enjoy losing 100 games again

[Mother****erJones]

Originally Posted by alnorth

every single person in the entire baseball world who cashes a paycheck from a MLB team reads that handbook.

You are asking for, not a competent manager, but for someone who is relatively an innovative genius.

there's a reason he's not in baseball. Leave it to the real baseball personnel.