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MagicHef · 02-22-2013, 11:18 AM

The LBs surprise me. Mainly because the majority of those guys weren't really pass rushers.

**Reaper16** · 02-22-2013, 11:24 AM

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The LBs surprise me. Mainly because the majority of those guys weren't really pass rushers.

My guess is that they were complimentary pieces. That successful, winning teams picked them because they already had a proven core.

htismaqe · 02-22-2013, 11:25 AM

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My guess is that they were complimentary pieces. That successful, winning teams picked them because they already had a proven core.

Beat me to it.

htismaqe · 02-22-2013, 11:24 AM

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The LBs surprise me. Mainly because the majority of those guys weren't really pass rushers.

A lot of them went to good teams that had an uncharacteristic down year, I'd be willing to bet.

Like Jerrod Mayo.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-22-2013, 11:27 AM

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A lot of them went to good teams that had an uncharacteristic down year, I'd be willing to bet.

Like Jerrod Mayo.

Mayo went 10th.

I think he claimed these were Top 5 at each position.

htismaqe · 02-22-2013, 11:28 AM

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Mayo went 10th.

I think he claimed these were Top 5 at each position.

Ah, yes.

MagicHef · 02-22-2013, 11:56 AM

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My guess is that they were complimentary pieces. That successful, winning teams picked them because they already had a proven core.

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A lot of them went to good teams that had an uncharacteristic down year, I'd be willing to bet.

Like Jerrod Mayo.

That could be, but why is it not repeated with any other position?

No safety taken in the top 5 has ever had a winning record.

AJ Green is the only WR

Darrell Russell is the only DT

Peppers and Cedric Jones are the only DEs

**SAUTO** · 02-22-2013, 12:03 PM

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That could be, but why is it not repeated with any other position?

No safety taken in the top 5 has ever had a winning record.

AJ Green is the only WR

Darrell Russell is the only DT

Peppers and Cedric Jones are the only DEs

For their career?
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MagicHef · 02-22-2013, 12:19 PM

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For their career?
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For their career with their original team.

**SAUTO** · 02-22-2013, 12:25 PM

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For their career with their original team.

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htismaqe · 02-22-2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

That could be, but why is it not repeated with any other position?

No safety taken in the top 5 has ever had a winning record.

AJ Green is the only WR

Darrell Russell is the only DT

Peppers and Cedric Jones are the only DEs

Because the LBs are rare specimens for their position? Or they're "mortar" pieces rather than bricks?

WRs tend to get drafted as playmakers but are largely ineffective without a QB. I think teams overvalue WRs.

Defensive tackles are self explanatory. Teams view defensive tackles as foundational pieces and CONSTANTLY draft them too early. I've had many, many long discussions about the history of NFL defensive tackles. Quite frankly, I wouldn't EVER draft one in the top 15 picks and signing them in free agency is an exercise in futility. It's by far the worst position on the field when it comes to guys flaming out.

MagicHef · 02-22-2013, 12:40 PM

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Because the LBs are rare specimens for their position? Or they're "mortar" pieces rather than bricks?

WRs tend to get drafted as playmakers but are largely ineffective without a QB. I think teams overvalue WRs.

Defensive tackles are self explanatory. Teams view defensive tackles as foundational pieces and CONSTANTLY draft them too early. I've had many, many long discussions about the history of NFL defensive tackles. Quite frankly, I wouldn't EVER draft one in the top 15 picks and signing them in free agency is an exercise in futility. It's by far the worst position on the field when it comes to guys flaming out.

I agree. DT may be the worst value early in the draft.

I just cant get over the LBs. With other positions, you can see the good players that just don't have enough of an effect on their team to win (Megatron, Fitzgerald, Suh, Mario Williams, Gonzo, Woodson, Champ, Orlando Pace, etc.), and bad players that get carried to wins (Ryan Sims had a winning record with KC).

With LBs, the good ones win, and the bad ones lose, with relatively few exceptions that I can see.

htismaqe · 02-22-2013, 12:55 PM

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I agree. DT may be the worst value early in the draft.

I just cant get over the LBs. With other positions, you can see the good players that just don't have enough of an effect on their team to win (Megatron, Fitzgerald, Suh, Mario Williams, Gonzo, Woodson, Champ, Orlando Pace, etc.), and bad players that get carried to wins (Ryan Sims had a winning record with KC).

With LBs, the good ones win, and the bad ones lose, with relatively few exceptions that I can see.

Maybe they're not complimentary pieces. Maybe we undervalue linebackers, or at least elite linebackers?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-22-2013, 11:27 AM

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The LBs surprise me. Mainly because the majority of those guys weren't really pass rushers.

Kind of a smaller sample size. I only counted 7 that went Top 5.

Plus, look at where those guys went, and who the QB was.

Von Miller - Manning
AJ Hawk - Favre, Rodgers
Kevin Hardy - Brunell

Trev Alberts only played 3 seasons, and they were pretty much a .500 team.

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