Rumor: LJ to Dallas - Page 5

**sd4chiefs** · 07-02-2007, 02:09 PM

Sorry if repost.

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=67&p=2&c=655744

Don't Believe the Hype: LJ to Dallas?

Larry Johnson By Mike Fisher
TheRanchReport.com
Posted Jul 1, 2007

IRVING, Texas -- There could be a sliver of truth in every rumor. A grain of reality in every gossip item. Think of it like professional wrestling, which is all fake. ... except for the dying part.

The speculation about a trade that would ship Larry Johnson to Dallas is like that. It's all rumors; I've dug around Valley Ranch, trying to confirm that there have been substantive discussions with Kansas City regarding the disgruntled superstar running back, and all I got from it is an empty shovel, an empty notepad and a sore back.

Except for one sliver. One grain.

"The (Dallas) running backs don't offer that 'wow' factor,'' says a source close to the innerworkings of the Cowboys. "There isn't that guy who, when he gets his hands on the ball, makes everybody stand up and take notice.''

That observation is a far, far cry from "Therefore, we're going to trade for L.J.'' It is also a far, far cry from saying, "JuJo, MB3 and Tyson Thompson stink.''

But it is an acknowledgement of sorts that Julius Jones isn't considered to be as "special'' as we thought him to be as a rookie, that Marion Barber isn't yet considered to be anything more than solid (rather than spectacular), and that Thompson -- who I'm told has done intense offseason work in an attempt to add flexibility to his speedy-but-stiff running style -- isn't considered at all.

Contrast that with the Chiefs' Johnson, the Pro Bowler with fresh legs and a fresh mind and a confrontational approach to running the football. He's probably the best thing this side of LaDainian Tomlinson, a record-setting power back who is also a scoring machine and a home-run hitter.

Larry Johnson has that elusive "wow'' factor.

Maybe Julius Jones gets it back. This is a kid who once talked about rushing for a crazy number of yards. ... only none of us thought it was all that crazy at the time. Maybe MB3 gets more carries and demonstates that he does indeed have it. If Barber is truly a guy who gets stronger with more carries, maybe you gotta give him more carries. Or heck, maybe you hold onto whatever ammunition it would take to pry Johnson from Kansas City (a first? a second?) and use it in next year's draft to secure Darren McFadden, who is going to be seeing a lot of ol' Razorback Jerry Jones this fall every Saturday in Arkansas.

The Cowboys have a question mark. The Chiefs, though, have it worse -- because the situation teases them in that they have the answer AND the question mark, all rolled into one.

The Chiefs are in for a difficult summer. Johnson is slated to make $1.7 million. He'll pass. He'll sit. He'll mope. He'll whine. He'll argue that he IS the Chiefs' chance to be a contender, and his 416 carries last year says it is so.

He's 27, so he's in his prime. Oh, and "27'' is probably a pivotal number in another way: One report says that's how much in guaranteed money it'll take Kansas City to get possible holdout LJ to show up for work.

Do the Cowboys want that price tag, in terms of dollars and tradeable assets? Do the Cowboys want Larry Johnson, alleged to be something of a flake? Do the Cowboys want that "wow factor'' at running back?

I don't know that they want it in the form of Larry Johnson. But I know that

ClevelandBronco · 07-02-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PinkFloyd

Oh its true !!! My best friend has a doctor friend who's sister knows this firefighter in India and his cousin has a midget brother on his aunts side of the family, and this aunt's cousin ran into her brother who's friend is a proctologist and one of his patients moms said that her sister found out from a guy who goes noodling with this other guy and his girlfriend was found having sex with another woman and SHE told me it was true !!!

He's a goner !!!

Thank you, Simone.

Coogs · 07-02-2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

IF Dallas was willing to give up 2 first round picks for LJ ( a BIG if) that would mean that they believe that they can get more production from him than from the two picks.

Not necessarily. Who is the favorite next season in the NFC? Saints? Bears? Seahawks? 49ers? Panthers? None of those would appear to be an obstical that would be too great for the Cowboys to overcome this season IF having a stud RB is all they lack. And it could be. Their WR's are solid. TE is good. QB... ? O-line is OK. Defense is pretty solid. Add LJ and that team jumps to the front of the NFC IMO.

Now KC on the other hand has to get past New England, Indy, San Diego, Baltimore, and on-and-on in the AFC. Now would be the time to aquire picks and more talent.

Again, just my $.02.

PinkFloyd · 07-02-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by greg63

LOL!!!

Was she wearing a red bikini?

No.... But the guys who went noodling were... It was just a very very sick sight...

ChiefsfaninPA · 07-02-2007, 06:49 PM

WWGCD?

Logical · 07-02-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

And before that?
Mike Cloud
Greg Hill
Rashaan Shehee
Donnell Bennett
Jesse Haynes

I am merely pointing out that LJ is not the only or even the only recent fantastic RB we have had. I hate it when people talk about LJ like he is the only great RB we have had.

Mile High Mania · 07-02-2007, 07:34 PM

Jerry Jones isn't giving up 2 first rounders for a player again... he did that for Galloway a while back and was burned. Jones was on the TICKET (sports radio 1310) recently and said he'd never do that again.

Also, that Browns #1 pick in 2008 could very well put them in a spot to land McFadden.

Jones is a FA after this season and who knows if Barber is "the guy", but I don't see this deal happening.

ChiefsfaninPA · 07-02-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

but I don't see this deal happening.

You mean you hope it doesn't happen!

Mile High Mania · 07-02-2007, 07:42 PM

Honestly - it doesn't matter to me what KC does with LJ. They'll either sign him to a huge deal or trade him for a mix of picks/players.

If they traded him now... KC is nearly a lock to battle Oakland for worst in the AFCW. Sure they'd have picks, but I'll worry about that later.

ClevelandBronco · 07-02-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsfaninPA

You mean you hope it doesn't happen!

Dude, it'll never happen for a pair of #1s, and if it happens for an #1 and a mid-rounder, I hope it happens tonight. That would virtually assure that Denver would get two wins against KC this season, and it would be a crapshoot that you'd get compensation that could make a difference for the next couple of seasons after.

chubychecker · 07-02-2007, 09:19 PM

I don't even think we need both #1's to pull the trigger on this deal, Browns' pick with a middle rounder 2-4, and one of their backs in return would be plenty. Remember him coming to camp or even to play this season is no sure thing.

B_Ambuehl · 07-02-2007, 09:21 PM

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IF Dallas was willing to give up 2 first round picks for LJ ( a BIG if) that would mean that they believe that they can get more production from him than from the two picks. If that is true for them, why wouldn't it be true for us, especially with CP making the picks?

Because regardless of how productive LJ is for us it will take probably 2 more years for the rest of the team to get to a point where they can be competitive and by then LJ will likely be average.

Either way, in 3 years it's likely LJ either isn't around, or if he is around he's declined majorly. So if a good offer is available you might as well get those draft picks now even if it means sucking majorly the next couple of years.

**BigMeatballDave** · 07-02-2007, 09:46 PM

I'd do it for a 1st and a 2nd.

Logical · 07-02-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Honestly - it doesn't matter to me what KC does with LJ. They'll either sign him to a huge deal or trade him for a mix of picks/players.

If they traded him now... KC is nearly a lock to battle Oakland for worst in the AFCW. Sure they'd have picks, but I'll worry about that later.

We are not going to be competing with Denver for a playoff spot this year with Croyle or Huard at QB so it really does not make a difference to me either way.

blueballs · 07-02-2007, 09:51 PM

there is no street cred
in Dallas

Deberg_1990 · 07-02-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blueballs

there is no street cred
in Dallas

There is almost no bigger stage than the "Dallas Cowboys'

They are pretty much guranteed at least 6 or 7 nationally televised games a year no matter what the their record is. Its a law set by congress or something....

LJ would love it.

07-02-2007, 02:09 PM
sd4chiefs error 404 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bizarro World Casino cash: $8830445	Rumor: LJ to Dallas Sorry if repost. http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=67&p=2&c=655744 Don't Believe the Hype: LJ to Dallas? Larry Johnson By Mike Fisher TheRanchReport.com Posted Jul 1, 2007 IRVING, Texas -- There could be a sliver of truth in every rumor. A grain of reality in every gossip item. Think of it like professional wrestling, which is all fake. ... except for the dying part. The speculation about a trade that would ship Larry Johnson to Dallas is like that. It's all rumors; I've dug around Valley Ranch, trying to confirm that there have been substantive discussions with Kansas City regarding the disgruntled superstar running back, and all I got from it is an empty shovel, an empty notepad and a sore back. Except for one sliver. One grain. "The (Dallas) running backs don't offer that 'wow' factor,'' says a source close to the innerworkings of the Cowboys. "There isn't that guy who, when he gets his hands on the ball, makes everybody stand up and take notice.'' That observation is a far, far cry from "Therefore, we're going to trade for L.J.'' It is also a far, far cry from saying, "JuJo, MB3 and Tyson Thompson stink.'' But it is an acknowledgement of sorts that Julius Jones isn't considered to be as "special'' as we thought him to be as a rookie, that Marion Barber isn't yet considered to be anything more than solid (rather than spectacular), and that Thompson -- who I'm told has done intense offseason work in an attempt to add flexibility to his speedy-but-stiff running style -- isn't considered at all. Contrast that with the Chiefs' Johnson, the Pro Bowler with fresh legs and a fresh mind and a confrontational approach to running the football. He's probably the best thing this side of LaDainian Tomlinson, a record-setting power back who is also a scoring machine and a home-run hitter. Larry Johnson has that elusive "wow'' factor. Maybe Julius Jones gets it back. This is a kid who once talked about rushing for a crazy number of yards. ... only none of us thought it was all that crazy at the time. Maybe MB3 gets more carries and demonstates that he does indeed have it. If Barber is truly a guy who gets stronger with more carries, maybe you gotta give him more carries. Or heck, maybe you hold onto whatever ammunition it would take to pry Johnson from Kansas City (a first? a second?) and use it in next year's draft to secure Darren McFadden, who is going to be seeing a lot of ol' Razorback Jerry Jones this fall every Saturday in Arkansas. The Cowboys have a question mark. The Chiefs, though, have it worse -- because the situation teases them in that they have the answer AND the question mark, all rolled into one. The Chiefs are in for a difficult summer. Johnson is slated to make $1.7 million. He'll pass. He'll sit. He'll mope. He'll whine. He'll argue that he IS the Chiefs' chance to be a contender, and his 416 carries last year says it is so. He's 27, so he's in his prime. Oh, and "27'' is probably a pivotal number in another way: One report says that's how much in guaranteed money it'll take Kansas City to get possible holdout LJ to show up for work. Do the Cowboys want that price tag, in terms of dollars and tradeable assets? Do the Cowboys want Larry Johnson, alleged to be something of a flake? Do the Cowboys want that "wow factor'' at running back? I don't know that they want it in the form of Larry Johnson. But I know that
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Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3697229	Jerry Jones isn't giving up 2 first rounders for a player again... he did that for Galloway a while back and was burned. Jones was on the TICKET (sports radio 1310) recently and said he'd never do that again. Also, that Browns #1 pick in 2008 could very well put them in a spot to land McFadden. Jones is a FA after this season and who knows if Barber is "the guy", but I don't see this deal happening. __________________
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Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3697229	Honestly - it doesn't matter to me what KC does with LJ. They'll either sign him to a huge deal or trade him for a mix of picks/players. If they traded him now... KC is nearly a lock to battle Oakland for worst in the AFCW. Sure they'd have picks, but I'll worry about that later. __________________
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