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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:50 AM   #361
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it was inevitable

we traded picks for a #winnow QB because this team had talent and was ready to win now...no time to groom a risky rookie

so Smith shows up and ta-daa!...none of our players are good enough for him

Bowe is a lazy malcontent, our OL doesn't have enough first round picks on it..McCluster - who this board loves to death - is now suddenly terrible, Avery (crickets)...

it sucks we have to spend a couple more years acquiring offensive talent for our franchise QB to not throw to, but I guess it has to be done
Have you bothered watching the games?
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:51 AM   #362
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it was inevitable

we traded picks for a #winnow QB because this team had talent and was ready to win now...no time to groom a risky rookie

so Smith shows up and ta-daa!...none of our players are good enough for him

Bowe is a lazy malcontent, our OL doesn't have enough first round picks on it..McCluster - who this board loves to death - is now suddenly terrible, Avery (crickets)...

it sucks we have to spend a couple more years acquiring offensive talent for our franchise QB to not throw to, but I guess it has to be done
Regardless of your opinion of AS, the OL has sucked balls all year so far.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:51 AM   #364
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Bowe will be fine.

Give the offense a legit Franchise QB JFC
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:52 AM   #365
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People don't want to hear it, because it looks like an excuse for the QB.. but there have been some noticeably lackadaisical efforts from him. I don't think he's slow, but I don't feel he is always giving 100% out there after the payday.

.. and I am a fan of Bowe as a life-long LSU fan.
Either Smith doesn't trust him or Smith just doesn't want to give him the chance. Bowe has had jack shit at QB.....and those QBs all did one thing. They let Bowe go make a play. Smith is worried about the turnover....so he won't give Bowe a chance.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:52 AM   #366
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That wouldn't hurt, either, but things are going to get better with our merely average QB.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:52 AM   #367
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Have you bothered watching the games?
every snap

but I'm sure the truth is Bowe can't get open in the nlf and is just a lazy bastard counting his money...

he never got open for cassle, croyle, huard, or thigpen either
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Regardless of your opinion of AS, the OL has sucked balls all year so far.
Yet they don't adjust the playcalling to help it out. Can't pass block? Keep running bootlegs and playaction passes. They need to start running screens and draws out of the shotgun.
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I don't think Bowe's dogging it. Bowe strikes me as a hard worker and he blocks well when others are getting YAC. Reports are that Bowe's been double teamed quite a bit.

I do know that he's either not getting open, or getting open too slow given our crappy pass protection.
Watching the games on TV (like I do), it's hard to know whether the non-targetted WRs are getting open. A guy with access to the game film pretty much just said Bowe's not getting open. Doesn't mean that it'll continue, but it's from an impartial sources. Hard to not be at least a little concerned.
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That wouldn't hurt, either, but things are going to get better with our merely average QB.
I don't have that faith due to his playing style and his durability issues.
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Yet they don't adjust the playcalling to help it out. Can't pass block? Keep running bootlegs and playaction passes. They need to start running screens and draws out of the shotgun.
I agree, playcalling has been questionable until later in the game.
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it was inevitable

we traded picks for a #winnow QB because this team had talent and was ready to win now...no time to groom a risky rookie

so Smith shows up and ta-daa!...none of our players are good enough for him

Bowe is a lazy malcontent, our OL doesn't have enough first round picks on it..McCluster - who this board loves to death - is now suddenly terrible, Avery (crickets)...

it sucks we have to spend a couple more years acquiring offensive talent for our franchise QB to not throw to, but I guess it has to be done
Only a child should exaggerate things to such lengths. No one is saying Bowe is a lazy malcontent. To show a WR that doesn't "take it easy" on a small % of plays, one could only do THIS v

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I see you're still hard at the troll game.

Good for you. Everybody needs to find their spot on this board.
After reading Halfcan yesterday in the Alex Smith sucks thread, I'm now actually kind of on board with what LAC is doing.
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Either Smith doesn't trust him or Smith just doesn't want to give him the chance. Bowe has had jack shit at QB.....and those QBs all did one thing. They let Bowe go make a play. Smith is worried about the turnover....so he won't give Bowe a chance.
if Smith is getting passes to Avery in single coverage, as he is? Then that must mean Bowe is getting extra coverage... in which case, yes... Alex will find a higher % target on the play.
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