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Old 07-30-2013, 08:36 AM  
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:11 PM   #2611
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Average with a passing limited Tebow at QB. See my previous comment.
PM could have made Ashley Leli an All-Pro. Quit discounting the effect PM has on the rest of the Denver players, it is very significant.
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:14 PM   #2612
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PM could have made Ashley Leli an All-Pro. Quit discounting the effect PM has on the rest of the Denver players, it is very significant.
I've never discounted the PM influence... I said the stats and production would be different, there's no denying that one. Manning has 82 TDs in what ... 29 regular season games with Denver? That's insane production.

What I'm saying is - DT, Decker and JT are not pedestrian WRs without PM, they're very solid individually and as a group, they are very good and would be productive with a number of QBs.
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:15 PM   #2613
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To call Demariyous Thomas "average" even with Tebow QB'ing is pretty ****ing silly.
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:19 PM   #2614
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I've never discounted the PM influence...
You are doing it all over this thread, parading around Dem. Thomas, Decker, and god knows who else like they are special. PM is what makes them special.

Wes Welker had a little over 1,100 yards and 3 td's the one season he didn't have PM or Brady throwing it to him. Pretty good numbers but nothing really special there. I am unconvinced of Denver's roster outside of PM influence.
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:19 PM   #2615
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:21 PM   #2616
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It's important to note that you likely only have Welker because of Manning as well.

Demaryius is really good and everyone that was paying attention could see that even with Tebow. He's really big, he's really, really fast, he runs good routes and he's pretty reliable at catching the ball.

Decker is just a ****ing pussy.
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:26 PM   #2617
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It's important to note that you likely only have Welker because of Manning as well.
Great point. I'm sure Welker was just so eager to get out of NE that he would even go to Miami and play with Tannehill. Please! PM is the only thing that makes Denver relevant.
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:27 PM   #2618
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:32 PM   #2619
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:33 PM   #2620
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Old 12-10-2013, 04:38 PM   #2621
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Old 12-10-2013, 05:22 PM   #2622
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I would absolutely take Bowe over Decker.

If Peyton Manning was Bowe's QB, he would have 12 TD's and 1,200 receiving yards.
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You just wrote that Von is a better athlete and a better tackler than Hali.

But Von wouldn't start over Hali?

I'm not sure I understand.
Do you know what "nuance" means?
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