Props to CP!!! We essentially got 2 1st rounders for JA!

[DaKCMan AP]

We received the Vikings 1st round pick #17 overall and BOTH of their 3rd round picks (#73 and #82).

Now, follow along here:

If you take the draft value chart, the combined value of the two 3rd round picks is 405 pts which is equivalent to the #17 or #18 pick in the 2nd round this year.

Now, a 1st round pick NEXT YEAR (2009) is equivalent to a 2nd round pick THIS YEAR (2008), meaning the #17 or #18 pick in the 2nd round is equivalent to the #17 or #18 pick overall in 2009.

Strictly from a draft value chart standard, we received the #17 overall pick in 2008 and the #17 or #18 pick overall in 2009.

Just giving credit where credit is due, and we are in great position now (if our draft board is setup correctly - a big if) to get SEVEN (7) of the top 100 players in the draft.

[chief52]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

If you look at how teams trade picks that is how they're valued.

For example, the Colts traded a 2007 4th round pick and their 2008 1st round pick for a 2007 2nd round pick.

Who were they trading with? You act as though all choices in a specific round are equal. That is where your logic is flawed.

[JBucc]

THe 7th rounder we got for Tynes is worth a 1st rounder in 2074! Way to go CArl!

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by chief52

Who were they trading with? You act as though all choices in a specific round are equal. That is where your logic is flawed.

Where the hell did I ever say that? I was saying the 2 3rd round picks this year are equal draft-trade value of the #17 or #18 pick next year, not any 1st round pick next year.

This how that trade worked out:

Colts received pick #42 (10th pick in 2nd round) (480 pts) and traded pick #126 (30th pick in 4th round) (46 pts) and 2008 first round pick which turned out to be #29 (640pts, but 320 since it's a year later).

The tricky part when dealing future picks is you don't know what position in the round that pick will be. If the Colts 1st round pick this year had been #15 the trade would have been equal value-wise. Higher and the 49ers get the advantage, lower and the Colts get it.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Put another way, how many of you would trade our 1st round pick in 2016 for a 7th-round pick next week? I would hope that no one would.

I'd trade a 7th now for a 1st then!

Dave

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

If you look at how teams trade picks that is how they're valued.

For example, the Colts traded a 2007 4th round pick and their 2008 1st round pick for a 2007 2nd round pick.

Yeah, I recognize that it happens, but I think it's more a factor of other things than a "time value of draft picks" phenomenon.

My suspicion is that it happens for two reasons:

1. Some GM sees a guy that he just can't live without, and he thinks the guy is undervalued in the current round. If it's the fourth-round, and he's graded a guy as 2nd round talent, he's going to be glad to give up a 3rd next year to get him.

2. Some GM is desperate to fill a hole right now, while another GM has a more long-term perspective, in which case the first guy is paying a premium to get a pick now.

If it's true that there is a time value for draft picks, then there will always be a market for a trade if you provide a perceived good value. If I was in Carl Peterson's oily shoes, and I knew that I would never be fired in the short term no matter how badly I performed, I would do the following. (I'm making up the years, so you can put in whatever year is a fair trade according to "conventional wisdom".) I'm dead serious about this.

A. Every year, I would trade my 7th-round draft pick for a 1st round pick 10 years from now.

B. Every year, I would trade my 6th-round draft pick for a 1st round pick 8 years from now.

C. Every year, I would trade my 5th-round draft pick for a 1st round pick 6 years from now.

D. Every year, I would trade my 4th-round draft pick for a 1st round pick 4 years from now.

E. Every year, I would trade my 3rd-round draft pick for a 1st round pick 2 years from now.

F. Every year, I would trade my 2nd-round draft pick for a 1st round pick the following year.

Your team would probably not fare overly well for a few years, but once you got the system up and running, you would enter every single season with 7 first-round draft picks. If there really is a time value to draft picks, this system is guaranteed to work.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by alanm

Don't tell me you actually believe that the Chiefs are going to somehow work this to their advantage?
They'll piss these picks away like they do every year. Likely drafting a bunch of camp fodder and over paid bench warmers.

WTF? Herm has had good drafts not bad ones. Did I miss the year where Allen led us to the SB? I would have loved to keep JA like everyone else but he got two dui's in the same year and then wanted a ton of cash. Got pissed when the Chiefs decided to hold off on it and then got more pissed, shooting off at the mouth saying " I will not sign a long term deal with the Chiefs."

Fugg him! Good on the King to get more picks for his alcoholic ass. In the next two years he will fugg up and miss one of them.

[Anyong Bluth]

Fact the facts people:

We couldn't keep JA. The guy has just as much to blame for getting 2 DUI's while in KC as Carl for being an @sshat. Do I think he's cleaned it up, and probably not going to get in trouble again? Yes, I think he's grown up and probably will stay out of trouble, while being a productive player for at least 3-5 years.

So, are we going to be doing squat in the next 2-3 years? Probably not.
Do you want to pay 1 player the highest salary of any Def. player in the league to play here while he's going to be in his prime on a chitty team that's rebuilding- only to watch his salary cap numbers jump absurdly just as we hopefully have turned the corner and fielding a competitive squad? Not to mention the odds are that JA will no longer be the top DE in the league, and his cap number not equal to his value.

I loved the guy, and it sucks, but if you're looking long term, it's probably a good thing- assuming we don't make horrible picks.

[theboweshow]

I've been thinking... Professional sports players lack any type of loyalty to their fans! Jared Allen = perfect example. Allen decided he wanted out of the red and gold because of something CP did. Carl Peterson doesn't pay his salary. We, the fans, pay his salary. I'm tired of rooting for a team, when every few years everyone is gone and you're looking at all new faces and you root for these new guys simply because of the color of jersey they are wearing. I see both the pros and cons of this trade and I'm glad it has happened. I won't be rooting for Jared as a Viking, but I will say this. Thank you Jared for the 3 draft picks we got out of your unloyal ass!! Have a drink on me!

[StcChief]

Originally Posted by Otter

Carl's a loser, screw him.

Congrats to JA, he may see a Super Bowl now and is rich to boot.

Carl is the blind squirrel who finds a nut every once in a while.... not sure of his input on JA draft anyway.

Glad he got good value for him in the end.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by kcxiv

Doesn't deserve any ****ing props. Booo freaking boo for this trade.

I agree with you on this point, I think it sucks we traded one of the best DE's in the league. If you logically think about it, it is one heck of a deal for us. You have a player who doesn't want to play with you and isn't going to sign a long term deal with you, it makes sense to get rid of him at optimum value which is what we did.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I would do the following. (I'm making up the years, so you can put in whatever year is a fair trade according to "conventional wisdom".) I'm dead serious about this.

A. Every year, I would trade my 7th-round draft pick for a 1st round pick 10 years from now.

B. Every year, I would trade my 6th-round draft pick for a 1st round pick 8 years from now.

C. Every year, I would trade my 5th-round draft pick for a 1st round pick 6 years from now.

D. Every year, I would trade my 4th-round draft pick for a 1st round pick 4 years from now.

E. Every year, I would trade my 3rd-round draft pick for a 1st round pick 2 years from now.

F. Every year, I would trade my 2nd-round draft pick for a 1st round pick the following year.

Your team would probably not fare overly well for a few years, but once you got the system up and running, you would enter every single season with 7 first-round draft picks. If there really is a time value to draft picks, this system is guaranteed to work.

I think Bobby Beathard tried out your system when he was with San Diego.

[ChiefsFan4Life]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yeah, I recognize that it happens, but I think it's more a factor of other things than a "time value of draft picks" phenomenon.

My suspicion is that it happens for two reasons:

1. Some GM sees a guy that he just can't live without, and he thinks the guy is undervalued in the current round. If it's the fourth-round, and he's graded a guy as 2nd round talent, he's going to be glad to give up a 3rd next year to get him.

2. Some GM is desperate to fill a hole right now, while another GM has a more long-term perspective, in which case the first guy is paying a premium to get a pick now.

If it's true that there is a time value for draft picks, then there will always be a market for a trade if you provide a perceived good value. If I was in Carl Peterson's oily shoes, and I knew that I would never be fired in the short term no matter how badly I performed, I would do the following. (I'm making up the years, so you can put in whatever year is a fair trade according to "conventional wisdom".) I'm dead serious about this.

A. Every year, I would trade my 7th-round draft pick for a 1st round pick 10 years from now.

B. Every year, I would trade my 6th-round draft pick for a 1st round pick 8 years from now.

C. Every year, I would trade my 5th-round draft pick for a 1st round pick 6 years from now.

D. Every year, I would trade my 4th-round draft pick for a 1st round pick 4 years from now.

E. Every year, I would trade my 3rd-round draft pick for a 1st round pick 2 years from now.

F. Every year, I would trade my 2nd-round draft pick for a 1st round pick the following year.

Your team would probably not fare overly well for a few years, but once you got the system up and running, you would enter every single season with 7 first-round draft picks. If there really is a time value to draft picks, this system is guaranteed to work.

Your system assumes someone else would be willing to make those trades with you every year - not gonna happen

[Mr. Laz]

wow ..... that's some serious spin

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Laz

wow ..... that's some serious spin

It's basic math based upon a standard chart and precedence.

[Adept Havelock]

Originally Posted by alanm

Don't tell me you actually believe that the Chiefs are going to somehow work this to their advantage?
They'll piss these picks away like they do every year. Likely drafting a bunch of camp fodder and over paid bench warmers.

That's my concern, but Mecca Pena tells me we should just BELIEVE!

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I've never quite understood the logic of saying that a 2nd-round pick this year is equivalent to a 1st-round pick next year. Draft picks aren't like money; there's no inflation to dwindle a player's value. Other than the risk that the NFL will shut down, it's merely a decision between immediate gratification and delayed gratification.

I recognize that in 2008 it's nicer to have a player on the field right now, but from a big-picture perspective the goal is to put the best players on the field over a specific time period. In 2018, it will be nicer to have another guy on the field then.

Ask the Redskins and the Chargers if it really helped them when Bobby Beathard would acquire 2nd-round picks on draft day by trading his next year's 1st-round picks. I don't think it was a good idea.

Put another way, how many of you would trade our 1st round pick in 2016 for a 7th-round pick next week? I would hope that no one would.

I will gladly pay you Tuesday, for a draft pick today.

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