Football Peter King: You have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one - Page 6

**jAZ** · 02-19-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I thought you all should know that Knowmo is slightly cheating on his self-imposed bet ban. He sent me a rep message with a tweet from some guy that said if the draft were this year, Brock Osweiler would be a first round pick, and possibly the first QB taken or some shit like that.

That's bullshit. Geno, Barkley, and Glennon have nearly twice the starting experience in college that Tannehill and Osweiler did. If Osweiler would have been the top QB this year it's because he played like it, not because he's a tall ****er who could be the best QB ever if he could ever learn how to throw the ball correctly, dang it.

It's takes like that that make my blood boil. If this were 2012, Geno and Barkley are the 3rd and 4th QBs taken before Tannehill, Weeden, and Osweiler. To say otherwise that those guys without the starting experience nor the flashy stats would be ahead of 2013's QBs is an atrocious lie.

That's why posters like jAz are posting some stupid crap, because they say, "How can we know if these guys are any good? All the draft experts claim the QBs are terrible." It compares these QBs at the top to 2012's QBs at the top without looking at the rest of the class.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying "no one can *know*". So in the absence of a time machine, recognize that professionals have tools to make evaluations that none of us have. Don't take fandom-GM games very seriously.

Hammock Parties · 02-19-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

Don't take fandom-GM games very seriously.

We don't play games anymore.

We got the last asshole fired.

We're a ****ing force to be reckoned with now.

**jAZ** · 02-19-2013, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus

We don't play games anymore.

We got the last asshole fired.

We're a ****ing force to be reckoned with now.

We'll surely be f'ed by your lust for power.

Hammock Parties · 02-19-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

We'll surely be f'ed by your lust for power.

Paul Revere didn't want to be President.

**Bowser** · 02-19-2013, 12:41 PM

Between Athan and Teicher, the Chiefs have been set back 40 years.

tooge · 02-19-2013, 12:46 PM

Regarding Alex Smith, I see him as a Rich Gannon type. He flounders around for several years without success, then finally "gets it". About the time he "gets it", he's taken on by a young, motivated, innovative offensive mind that has an offense tailored exactly to his skills. He thrives in it. I don't want Alex Smith. I don't think hes the abortion of a qb that some here do. I think he could come here and have us winning 10 or 11 games with Andy Reid, and heck, maybe a playoff game or two. That isn't what I want though.

I want the upside of Geno Smith. I wanna see his spectacular accuracy deployed in Andy Reids west coast offense, where he should thrive. I want a higher ceiling than I feel we'd get with Alex Smith.

If it doesn't pan out? Well, at least they tried. Then you try again.

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

Regarding Alex Smith, I see him as a Rich Gannon type. He flounders around for several years without success, then finally "gets it". About the time he "gets it", he's taken on by a young, motivated, innovative offensive mind that has an offense tailored exactly to his skills. He thrives in it. I don't want Alex Smith. I don't think hes the abortion of a qb that some here do. I think he could come here and have us winning 10 or 11 games with Andy Reid, and heck, maybe a playoff game or two. That isn't what I want though.

I want the upside of Geno Smith. I wanna see his spectacular accuracy deployed in Andy Reids west coast offense, where he should thrive. I want a higher ceiling than I feel we'd get with Alex Smith.

If it doesn't pan out? Well, at least they tried. Then you try again.

Great post.

DJ's left nut · 02-19-2013, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

Regarding Alex Smith, I see him as a Rich Gannon type. He flounders around for several years without success, then finally "gets it". About the time he "gets it", he's taken on by a young, motivated, innovative offensive mind that has an offense tailored exactly to his skills. He thrives in it. I don't want Alex Smith. I don't think hes the abortion of a qb that some here do. I think he could come here and have us winning 10 or 11 games with Andy Reid, and heck, maybe a playoff game or two. That isn't what I want though.

I want the upside of Geno Smith. I wanna see his spectacular accuracy deployed in Andy Reids west coast offense, where he should thrive. I want a higher ceiling than I feel we'd get with Alex Smith.

If it doesn't pan out? Well, at least they tried. Then you try again.

I agree with everything you've said there. I'd rather have Geno as well.

But Alex is a nice player in his own right.

As to the Geno vs. Tannehill comps - Tannehill has more upside than Geno. Tannehill could be really really good. I still think he'd have been right up there with RGIII had he been a QB for his entire college career.

He has literally every tool you could ask for in a QB, he's taken well to coaching and he's shown consistent improvement every step of the way.

If Tannehill were in the draft, I might actually take him over Geno. Tannehill's upside is immense.

keg in kc · 02-19-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I agree with everything you've said there. I'd rather have Geno as well.

But Alex is a nice player in his own right.

As to the Geno vs. Tannehill comps - Tannehill has more upside than Geno. Tannehill could be really really good. I still think he'd have been right up there with RGIII had he been a QB for his entire college career.

He has literally every tool you could ask for in a QB, he's taken well to coaching and he's shown consistent improvement every step of the way.

If Tannehill were in the draft, I might actually take him over Geno. Tannehill's upside is immense.

Jesus, the tannehill crap never dies.

Ace Gunner · 02-19-2013, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Jesus, the tannehill crap never dies.

I don't see the talent

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I agree with everything you've said there. I'd rather have Geno as well.

But Alex is a nice player in his own right.

As to the Geno vs. Tannehill comps - Tannehill has more upside than Geno. Tannehill could be really really good. I still think he'd have been right up there with RGIII had he been a QB for his entire college career.

He has literally every tool you could ask for in a QB, he's taken well to coaching and he's shown consistent improvement every step of the way.

If Tannehill were in the draft, I might actually take him over Geno. Tannehill's upside is immense.

I agree with you on a great many things. This isn't one of them.

DJ's left nut · 02-19-2013, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I agree with you on a great many things. This isn't one of them.

Eh, that's fine.

He may never develop enough touch to be among the best in the league. But his arm is on par with anyone this side of Stafford and Kaepernick and his athleticism is there with anybody's.

I'm not sure how anyone can say he'll never be a good decisionmaker; the kid has very little time under center and showed a lot of progress last year.

He's a massive boom/bust pick, but if the bust is what he did last year and the boom is essentially a more mobile, durable Matt Stafford, I don't see what there isn't to like about him.

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Eh, that's fine.

He may never develop enough touch to be among the best in the league. But his arm is on par with anyone this side of Stafford and Kaepernick and his athleticism is there with anybody's.

I'm not sure how anyone can say he'll never be a good decisionmaker; the kid has very little time under center and showed a lot of progress next year.

He's a massive boom/bust pick, but if the bust is what he did last year and the boom is essentially a more mobile, durable Matt Stafford, I don't see what there isn't to like about him.

That's totally fair.

I kind of see him in between. Kind of like Matt Ryan. Good enough to get you there every year but not really good enough to get you over the top.

cosmo20002 · 02-19-2013, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl.../?sct=uk_wr_a1

[B]The quarterbacks are a total mish-mosh at this point. One GM interested in acquiring a quarterback this offseason told me over the weekend, "I expect more attention on the quarterbacks throwing this year than on any other single thing at the Combine.'' Some think Geno Smith of West Virginia will go first overall to quarterback-needy Kansas City; one personnel man who studied all the top quarterbacks for a team in need of one last fall told me, "There's not one quarterback, including Smith, I would take in the first round."

What do you bet this personnel man represents a team drafting in middle position who is definitely going to take a QB in the first round?

htismaqe · 02-19-2013, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

What do you bet this personnel man represents a team drafting in middle position who is definitely going to take a QB in the first round?

Exactly.

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02-19-2013, 12:46 PM	#6
tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $3774112	Regarding Alex Smith, I see him as a Rich Gannon type. He flounders around for several years without success, then finally "gets it". About the time he "gets it", he's taken on by a young, motivated, innovative offensive mind that has an offense tailored exactly to his skills. He thrives in it. I don't want Alex Smith. I don't think hes the abortion of a qb that some here do. I think he could come here and have us winning 10 or 11 games with Andy Reid, and heck, maybe a playoff game or two. That isn't what I want though. I want the upside of Geno Smith. I wanna see his spectacular accuracy deployed in Andy Reids west coast offense, where he should thrive. I want a higher ceiling than I feel we'd get with Alex Smith. If it doesn't pan out? Well, at least they tried. Then you try again.
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