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-King- · 11-01-2013, 12:23 AM

Gerald McCoy says Bucs coaches got upset he helped opponents up off ground
Posted by Curtis Crabtree on November 1, 2013, 2:00 AM EDT
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The Tampa Bay Buccaneers continue to strive to show how tough they are and how hard they play in all the wrong ways.

In addition to the continued insistence to play defense aggressively when within one score while a team in the victory formation, the Buccaneers coaching staff also apparently doesn’t like acts of sportsmanship toward opposing teams.

Buccaneers defensive tackle Gerald McCoy said during a radio appearance Wednesday on the team’s flagship station, 620 WDAE-AM, that the team’s defensive line coaches (Randy Melvin and Bryan Cox) expressed anger toward McCoy for helping opposing players off the ground in games.

Despite their anger, McCoy isn’t listening on this subject.

“I had my D-line coaches get on to me the other day,” McCoy said, via JoeBucsFan.com. “Well, not get on to me, try to get on to me. There’s no way they’re going to get on to me for this. They got upset with me because I helped somebody up [in the game.] So what! I don’t care. Kiss my butt. Listen, if I want to help somebody, I’m going help somebody up. Because right on the next play I’m going to knock him down again. It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter.”

“That doesn’t change how hard I play. As long as in between the whistles I’m not helping anybody up, it doesn’t matter. So what if I help them off the ground? ‘Good job; we’re out here competing. But as soon as they snap the ball, I’m going to kill you again.’

“There’s nothing wrong with that. Everybody’s not like that. If you don’t want to be like that, keep it to yourself. I don’t care. I don’t go tell them, ‘Hey, you’re not doing this. You’re not doing that.’ I don’t care. Everybody does what they do. If I help somebody up, get over it. Get over it.”

McCoy believes the vitriol being shown toward head coach Greg Schiano for the team’s 0-7 start to the season is a bit overboard. However, the backlash from the coaches about helping opponents up could be another instance of the coaching staff not seeing the forest through the trees.

WhiteWhale · 11-01-2013, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

It is relevant. The game has changed. How players interact with each other has changed. The game isn't the same from 1995 to now. Acting like it is the same as in 1963 is silly. Players no longer "hate" each other like they did decades ago and teaching them not to help each other up is just dumb.
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Give me a reason why it is dumb.

I think it's dumb to throw a fit about it. I don't think it's dumb at all for a coach to encourage his players to take every competitive advantage they can get.

Give me a reason it's dumb other than baseless vague assertions.

Again, we're not talking about the changing of the GAME. We're talking about the nature of competition. Should you help someone you are competing against, even if it is minute?

taterhog · 11-01-2013, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

It is relevant. The game has changed. How players interact with each other has changed. The game isn't the same from 1995 to now. Acting like it is the same as in 1963 is silly. Players no longer "hate" each other like they did decades ago and teaching them not to help each other up is just dumb.
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Steve Smith loves Jenoras Jenkins

-King- · 11-01-2013, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Give me a reason why it is dumb.

I think it's dumb to throw a fit about it. I don't think it's dumb at all for a coach to encourage his players to take every competitive advantage they can get.

Give me a reason it's dumb other than baseless vague assertions.

Again, we're not talking about the changing of the GAME. We're talking about the nature of competition. Should you help someone you are competing against, even if it is minute?

Its dumb because its disrespectful. Play hard between the whistles. Don't be a douche after.
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WhiteWhale · 11-01-2013, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Its dumb because its disrespectful. Play hard between the whistles. Don't be a douche after.
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So the best you have is a subjective opinion about 'disrespect'?

You HAVE to help other players up or you're a 'douche'?

The **** world do you live in? This isn't pee wee football. These guys are professionals.

CoMoChief · 11-01-2013, 07:52 AM

A lot of the NFL players have respect for one another. I don't have a problem seeing players help opposing players off the ground. These guys take a ****ing beating every Sunday. It isn't high school where you can get hit 50x and it doesn't hurt. These are 250lb 3% body fat mutant men who are flying around the field running 4.5-4.6 range ****ing smashing into other people going all out full top speed w/ armored gear/pads on. Many players work out w/ each other in the offseason, played college ball together, whatever the case may be. FA has changed the game completely. You don't have players (except maybe franchise QB's but really not even so much that anymore) that stay around w/ one team which creates stronger rivalries. Those days are pretty much over.

**hometeam** · 11-01-2013, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

So the best you have is a subjective opinion about 'disrespect'?

You HAVE to help other players up or you're a 'douche'?

The **** world do you live in? This isn't pee wee football. These guys are professionals.

I would venture to say 99% of the guys actually playing have mutual respect for each other (save for maybe a few personal rivalries) and don't feel like they should spit on the opponent between plays.

So.. not sure why you so mad?

Sorter · 11-01-2013, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

They are the 2012 Chiefs. Horrific coaching yet talent on the roster.
Tampa needs their version of Andy Reid and they will bounce back next year.

If they were smart, they'd fire Schiano now and hire Lovie so they wouldn't have any competition.

Al Bundy · 11-01-2013, 08:08 AM

This has VERY little to do with actually helping his opponents up, it has more to do with McCoy telling the coaching staff they are ****ing idiots.

jettio · 11-01-2013, 08:10 AM

I think these Bucs coaches are going to be selling Life Alert products next year instead of coaching football, so you can't blame them for trying to grow the market.

Chief Roundup · 11-01-2013, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Its dumb because its disrespectful. Play hard between the whistles. Don't be a douche after.
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When on the field of battle for those 60 minutes. You should not help your opponent. Make that person expend their own energy to get that 300 lbs off the ground. That is not disrespectful at all. In the 4th quarter is when these big guys get worn down. If you help that big fatty up burning your energy and not his all game long. In the end it could come back to haunt you or your team.
Outside of those 60 minutes, not between whistles, is a different story. But during the game it is battle and every inch of turf, every ounce of energy is very important.

Red Dawg · 11-01-2013, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

I think I hate Schiano more than Pioli, and I know 90 percent less about him.

Not possible for me. Schiano has done what to the Chiefs?

Ceej · 11-01-2013, 08:21 AM

Anyone who sides with a coach who has his dlinemen dive at the opposing linemen's knees is so far gone.

Schiano is a joke.

Fish · 11-01-2013, 08:22 AM

How did this article make it past an editor? What a mess..

Al Bundy · 11-01-2013, 08:24 AM

Like I said, this is more about the coaches and their stupid ****ing stunts. These coaches are all terrible. The D-line coaches have either already or are very close to ruining guys like Adrian Clayborn.

Al Bundy · 11-01-2013, 08:37 AM

Gerald McCoy ‏@Geraldini93 13m

Whoa! I never said I was yelled at or even ridiculed for helping people up. And I didn't name names. Don't misquote me or make up non sense!

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-King- ▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓▓ Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $2505743	Gerald McCoy says Bucs coaches got upset he helped opponents up off ground Gerald McCoy says Bucs coaches got upset he helped opponents up off ground Posted by Curtis Crabtree on November 1, 2013, 2:00 AM EDT Gerald McCoy AP The Tampa Bay Buccaneers continue to strive to show how tough they are and how hard they play in all the wrong ways. In addition to the continued insistence to play defense aggressively when within one score while a team in the victory formation, the Buccaneers coaching staff also apparently doesn’t like acts of sportsmanship toward opposing teams. Buccaneers defensive tackle Gerald McCoy said during a radio appearance Wednesday on the team’s flagship station, 620 WDAE-AM, that the team’s defensive line coaches (Randy Melvin and Bryan Cox) expressed anger toward McCoy for helping opposing players off the ground in games. Despite their anger, McCoy isn’t listening on this subject. “I had my D-line coaches get on to me the other day,” McCoy said, via JoeBucsFan.com. “Well, not get on to me, try to get on to me. There’s no way they’re going to get on to me for this. They got upset with me because I helped somebody up [in the game.] So what! I don’t care. Kiss my butt. Listen, if I want to help somebody, I’m going help somebody up. Because right on the next play I’m going to knock him down again. It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter.” “That doesn’t change how hard I play. As long as in between the whistles I’m not helping anybody up, it doesn’t matter. So what if I help them off the ground? ‘Good job; we’re out here competing. But as soon as they snap the ball, I’m going to kill you again.’ “There’s nothing wrong with that. Everybody’s not like that. If you don’t want to be like that, keep it to yourself. I don’t care. I don’t go tell them, ‘Hey, you’re not doing this. You’re not doing that.’ I don’t care. Everybody does what they do. If I help somebody up, get over it. Get over it.” McCoy believes the vitriol being shown toward head coach Greg Schiano for the team’s 0-7 start to the season is a bit overboard. However, the backlash from the coaches about helping opponents up could be another instance of the coaching staff not seeing the forest through the trees.
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CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8052254	A lot of the NFL players have respect for one another. I don't have a problem seeing players help opposing players off the ground. These guys take a **ing beating every Sunday. It isn't high school where you can get hit 50x and it doesn't hurt. These are 250lb 3% body fat mutant men who are flying around the field running 4.5-4.6 range **ing smashing into other people going all out full top speed w/ armored gear/pads on. Many players work out w/ each other in the offseason, played college ball together, whatever the case may be. FA has changed the game completely. You don't have players (except maybe franchise QB's but really not even so much that anymore) that stay around w/ one team which creates stronger rivalries. Those days are pretty much over. __________________
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Al Bundy Damnit Peg Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $5391831	This has VERY little to do with actually helping his opponents up, it has more to do with McCoy telling the coaching staff they are ****ing idiots.
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Al Bundy Damnit Peg Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $5391831	Like I said, this is more about the coaches and their stupid ****ing stunts. These coaches are all terrible. The D-line coaches have either already or are very close to ruining guys like Adrian Clayborn.
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Al Bundy Damnit Peg Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $5391831	Gerald McCoy ‏@Geraldini93 13m Whoa! I never said I was yelled at or even ridiculed for helping people up. And I didn't name names. Don't misquote me or make up non sense!
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