Chiefs Petro a& Lenny "Don't blame the offense" - Page 13

**petegz28** · 12-22-2008, 12:38 PM

On the way to the airport I was listening to Soren and Lenny. While Lenny was a bit more critical of Thigy, both said this game was not the fault of the offense. 500 yard and 31 points should never net you a loss.

Lenny reminded us what some here tried to say yesterday, "offense is fun to watch but defense wins games".

Miami had the ball for 12 minutes in the 4th quarter. That says it right there. That is the game. This offense battled back from poor special teams play and defensive play (opening play), to hand the defense yet another lead.

Both said Thigy's performance is expected for a 1st year QB. Did he make dumb throws? Yes. Should he have had more INT's? Yes. But as Soren pointed out, Pennignton also got away with 2 or 3 balls that were tipped and close to being picked off.

Bottom line is the offense has been moving the ball and scoring and the defense has yet to hold a lead. Again as Lenny said, you can't keep trying to outscore your opponents ala DV. Defense has to show up and play.

Hydrae · 12-22-2008, 03:12 PM

I am trying to understand. Palmer is a great QB but can't win because the rest of the team sucks. So I would guess that drafting a great QB isn't the end all that some here seem to be wanting.

Brady is a low level draft pick but is a great because of the rest of the team around him. That certainly would explain why a Cassell can come off the bench and win with that same team.

But with the Chiefs, it is all about drafting a stud QB to take us to the Super Bowl rather than shoring up the obvious weaker areas on the team. Sounds to me like this is the Bengals approach that doesn't seem to have worked.

Brock · 12-22-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

I am trying to understand. Palmer is a great QB but can't win because the rest of the team sucks. So I would guess that drafting a great QB isn't the end all that some here seem to be wanting.

Brady is a low level draft pick but is a great because of the rest of the team around him. That certainly would explain why a Cassell can come off the bench and win with that same team.

But with the Chiefs, it is all about drafting a stud QB to take us to the Super Bowl rather than shoring up the obvious weaker areas on the team. Sounds to me like this is the Bengals approach that doesn't seem to have worked.

The Bengals are a losing team for various reasons, none of which have much to do with the talent level on their team.

Hootie · 12-22-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If Romo played for the Bengals, they'd have 2 wins this year.

If a healthy Carson Palmer played for the Cowboys, they'd have at least 12.

That is so dumb...we saw how good they were before Romo with Bledsoe at the helm...

Tony Romo is constantly running for his life...the Cowboys are a horrendous pass blocking team...you really think that would be a good fit for Palmer?

I'll take this out of the book of DaneMcCloud...

JFC

Hootie · 12-22-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If Romo played for the Bengals, they'd have 2 wins this year.

If a healthy Carson Palmer played for the Cowboys, they'd have at least 12.

and they have what, 3 wins and a tie with Ryan Fitzpatrick...

you're trying to tell me Fitzpatrick is better than Romo?

Wow.

Hootie · 12-22-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

And Dane shows up with kindling for the fire.

what Dane said was easily dumber than anything Mecca or I said the entire thread.

That includes trading the entire Chiefs roster for Palmer and taking Thigpen over Palmer.

Hydrae · 12-22-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

The Bengals are a losing team for various reasons, none of which have much to do with the talent level on their team.

That is very true and leads one to think that we can't really evaluate this team properly given the coaching staff we have currently.

**dirk digler** · 12-22-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

The Bengals are a losing team for various reasons, none of which have much to do with the talent level on their team.

Next to the Lions they are one of the most inept franchises in the NFL.

Mike Brown couldn't run a lemonade stand let alone run a successful NFL franchise.

ModSocks · 12-22-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

That is very true and leads one to think that we can't really evaluate this team properly given the coaching staff we have currently.

Won't need to worry about that much longer

googlegoogle · 12-22-2008, 04:14 PM

Herm has to get credit for finding Thigpen.

beach tribe · 12-22-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by googlegoogle

Herm has to get credit for finding Thigpen.

Actually, I believe it was Carl, but I could be wrong.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-22-2008, 05:00 PM

Wow, this thread is prime with stupidity.

I think it's fair to say that the truth lies in the middle.

Palmer is no where near as bad as Hootie claims, yet no where near as good as Mecca claims.

One thing I've noticed about the QB talk here as of late:

There are plenty of excuses to go around if your speaking about a QB you like, but when the conversation shifts to a QB you don't like, you blast people for making excuses.

beach tribe · 12-22-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Wow, this thread is prime with stupidity.

I think it's fair to say that the truth lies in the middle.

Palmer is no where near as bad as Hootie claims, yet no where near as good as Mecca claims.

One thing I've noticed about the QB talk here as of late:

There are plenty of excuses to go around if your speaking about a QB you like, but when the conversation shifts to a QB you don't like, you blast people for making excuses.

Yep. Everything is either one extreme or the other. One QB is bashed for something, but the reason for whatever the complaint one has about a QB can be overlooked on the QB that is being backed.

**Baby Lee** · 12-22-2008, 05:05 PM

Seems more like we have a team with the conditioning to compete for a half, more than adjustments by the other team. If it were adjustments alone, there'd be a team or two fully prepped from the get go as the season wore on.

**SAUTO** · 12-22-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea Palmer is gonna be out of the league at 30 while Kerry Collins is still around at 35 while never being remotely as good as Palmer ever.

REALLY? a guy who has been in a super bowl AND has what 37,000 career yards is not even remotely as good as a guy who has played almost half as long and has 15,000 yards AND has NEVER sniffed a super bowl?

**SAUTO** · 12-22-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If Romo played for the Bengals, they'd have 2 wins this year.

If a healthy Carson Palmer played for the Cowboys, they'd have at least 12.

GOTTA disagree here dane, do you think ryan fitzpatrick is better than romo?
and palmer has been hurt.

12-22-2008, 12:38 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2674127	Petro a& Lenny "Don't blame the offense" On the way to the airport I was listening to Soren and Lenny. While Lenny was a bit more critical of Thigy, both said this game was not the fault of the offense. 500 yard and 31 points should never net you a loss. Lenny reminded us what some here tried to say yesterday, "offense is fun to watch but defense wins games". Miami had the ball for 12 minutes in the 4th quarter. That says it right there. That is the game. This offense battled back from poor special teams play and defensive play (opening play), to hand the defense yet another lead. Both said Thigy's performance is expected for a 1st year QB. Did he make dumb throws? Yes. Should he have had more INT's? Yes. But as Soren pointed out, Pennignton also got away with 2 or 3 balls that were tipped and close to being picked off. Bottom line is the offense has been moving the ball and scoring and the defense has yet to hold a lead. Again as Lenny said, you can't keep trying to outscore your opponents ala DV. Defense has to show up and play.
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12-22-2008, 03:12 PM	#181
Hydrae Sandbox: Leander Lasercats Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Austin, Tx Casino cash: $2207000	I am trying to understand. Palmer is a great QB but can't win because the rest of the team sucks. So I would guess that drafting a great QB isn't the end all that some here seem to be wanting. Brady is a low level draft pick but is a great because of the rest of the team around him. That certainly would explain why a Cassell can come off the bench and win with that same team. But with the Chiefs, it is all about drafting a stud QB to take us to the Super Bowl rather than shoring up the obvious weaker areas on the team. Sounds to me like this is the Bengals approach that doesn't seem to have worked.
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12-22-2008, 04:14 PM	#189
googlegoogle Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	Herm has to get credit for finding Thigpen.
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12-22-2008, 05:00 PM	#191
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4851115	Wow, this thread is prime with stupidity. I think it's fair to say that the truth lies in the middle. Palmer is no where near as bad as Hootie claims, yet no where near as good as Mecca claims. One thing I've noticed about the QB talk here as of late: There are plenty of excuses to go around if your speaking about a QB you like, but when the conversation shifts to a QB you don't like, you blast people for making excuses.
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12-22-2008, 05:05 PM	#193
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6838598	Seems more like we have a team with the conditioning to compete for a half, more than adjustments by the other team. If it were adjustments alone, there'd be a team or two fully prepped from the get go as the season wore on. __________________ We need the kind of courage that can withstand the subtle corruption of the cynics - E.W.
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