****The Official NEW new new conference realignment & shit talk thread****

[Saul Good]

Let's do it.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I bet there's a tiny correlation between a program's ability to recruit and its on-field success.

So you have no proof to offer really - other than saying "I bet". I was pretty certain you'd admit you were just talking out your ass so no shocker here.

[Bambi]

Teams who have won in the BCS, or as others would say "the who's who of college football":

Ohio State (6–3)
Michigan (2–3)
Wisconsin (2–3)
Penn State (1–1)
Iowa (1–1)
Florida (5–2)
LSU (4–1)
Alabama (3–2)
Georgia (2–1)
Auburn (2–0)
Tennessee (1–1)
USC (6–1)
Oregon (3–2)
Stanford (2–2)
Oregon State (1–0)
Washington (1–0)
Oklahoma (3–5)
Texas (3–1)
Nebraska (1–1)
Kansas (1–0)
Oklahoma State (1–0)
Florida State (2–5)
Virginia Tech† (1–4)
Miami (FL) (3–1)
West Virginia (3–0)
Louisville (2–0)
Utah (2–0)
TCU (1–1)
Boise State (2–0)

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

So you have no proof to offer really - other than saying "I bet". I was pretty certain you'd admit you were just talking out your ass so no shocker here.

I don't spend time doing others' research.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I don't spend time doing others' research.

It's your research, since you made the claim. You're not smart enough for us to simply trust your opinions.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

It's your research, since you made the claim. You're not smart enough for us to simply trust your opinions.

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[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I bet there's a tiny correlation between a program's ability to recruit and its on-field success.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

So you have no proof to offer really - other than saying "I bet". I was pretty certain you'd admit you were just talking out your ass so no shocker here.

Uh...okay? You're serious here? Showing that your team immediately collapsed into an historically embarrassing heap of shit isn't proof enough for you that Kansas failed miserably to seize on any momentum from the BCS win?

Rivals:

Kansas starting in 2008: 40, 31, 55, 34, 74, 46, 80 - Average Rivals ranking of 51.4

Missouri starting in 2008 and without the bump of the BCS win: 25, 40, 21 48, 31, 41, 30 - Average Rivals rating of 33.7.

At what point have I sufficiently established that KU took the momentum it gained from having a BCS title and effectively set it on fire?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

They're not going to beat out Auburn.

Get ready for it now. Auburn's made a BCS game, IMO. The only thing that would change that (barring Mizzou winning the SECCG) is Auburn getting absolutely housed followed by Mizzou taking a close loss to Bama.

It's why I get really tired of hearing Beakers crow about BCS appearances - they're obviously the brass ring and it pisses me off we don't have one, but they aren't in any way indicative of who the most deserving teams in football are. This year will prove it yet again with Central Florida and either Fresno State or Northern Illinois getting an invite.

Well that would be a big screw job IMO if that were to happen. Basically you are punishing MU for playing an extra game yet they would be tied with Auburn and SC all with 2 losses. Of course this is all dependent on beating Johnny Football this weekend which is no easy game.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Well that would be a big screw job IMO if that were to happen. Basically you are punishing MU for playing an extra game yet they would be tied with Auburn and SC all with 2 losses. Of course this is all dependent on beating Johnny Football this weekend which is no easy game.

You've forgotten about 2007 already?

Screwing Mizzou for playing an extra game is par for the course.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Uh...okay? You're serious here? Showing that your team immediately collapsed into an historically embarrassing heap of shit isn't proof enough for you that Kansas failed miserably to seize on any momentum from the BCS win?

Rivals:

Kansas starting in 2008: 40, 31, 55, 34, 74, 46, 80 - Average Rivals ranking of 51.4

Missouri starting in 2008 and without the bump of the BCS win: 25, 40, 21 48, 31, 41, 30 - Average Rivals rating of 33.7.

At what point have I sufficiently established that KU took the momentum it gained from having a BCS title and effectively set it on fire?

I think that's correct in the short term but I would say it's more due to the people doing the actual recruiting.

When KU is back on it's feet having a BCS win will do much more good as a recruiting tool than having not even played in a game.

You can try and diminish all you want but MU isn't exactly lighting the world on fire recruiting wise. Having a shiny BCS game trophy to point to (or a playoff appearance from here moving forward) will be much, much better than pointing to something like the Alamo Bowl or Independence.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You've forgotten about 2007 already?

Screwing Mizzou for playing an extra game is par for the course.

I really should keep quiet on this but at least KU only had one loss whereas in this case all 3 could be potentially 2 loss teams.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Bambi

I think that's correct in the short term but I would say it's more due to the people doing the actual recruiting.

When KU is back on it's feet having a BCS win will do much more good as a recruiting tool than having not even played in a game.

You can try and diminish all you want but MU isn't exactly lighting the world on fire recruiting wise. Having a shiny BCS game trophy to point to (or a playoff appearance from here moving forward) will be much, much better than pointing to something like the Alamo Bowl or Independence.

When Kansas is back on its feet that BCS win isn't going to mean shit. It'll be ancient history.

That thing has vanished like a fart in the wind at this point.

You don't get to freeze momentum and thaw it when you need it. It's gone. If you don't capitalize on it, you have to completely rebuild around something else.

If Mizzou manages to get to/win one this year and doesn't use it as a springboard to getting talent that then builds on itself to create a cycle of win/recruit, it won't mean anything in the long run.

And your statement re: Mizzou is precisely my point - Mizzou's doing a nice job recruiting, but they're not a next level program yet. I think a BCS combined with the success in the SEC gets them to where they can consider anything below 25th a 'down' year for recruiting.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Bambi

I think that's correct in the short term but I would say it's more due to the people doing the actual recruiting.

When KU is back on it's feet having a BCS win will do much more good as a recruiting tool than having not even played in a game.

You can try and diminish all you want but MU isn't exactly lighting the world on fire recruiting wise. Having a shiny BCS game trophy to point to (or a playoff appearance from here moving forward) will be much, much better than pointing to something like the Alamo Bowl or Independence.

The BCS is dead after this season and no one cares what any team did 6 years ago especially a recruit that would have been 12.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

When Kansas is back on its feet that BCS win isn't going to mean shit. It'll be ancient history.

That thing has vanished like a fart in the wind at this point.

You don't get to freeze momentum and thaw it when you need it. It's gone. If you don't capitalize on it, you have to completely rebuild around something else.

If Mizzou manages to get to/win one this year and doesn't use it as a springboard to getting talent that then builds on itself to create a cycle of win/recruit, it won't mean anything in the long run.

And your statement re: Mizzou is precisely my point - Mizzou's doing a nice job recruiting, but they're not a next level program yet. I think a BCS combined with the success in the SEC gets them to where they can consider anything below 25th a 'down' year for recruiting.

You are literally the only college football fan base who seems to believe this to be true.

But by all means, we are entitled to our opinions.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Bambi

I think that's correct in the short term but I would say it's more due to the people doing the actual recruiting.

When KU is back on it's feet having a BCS win will do much more good as a recruiting tool than having not even played in a game.

You can try and diminish all you want but MU isn't exactly lighting the world on fire recruiting wise. Having a shiny BCS game trophy to point to (or a playoff appearance from here moving forward) will be much, much better than pointing to something like the Alamo Bowl or Independence.

One good year in probably 100 does not equate to being on their feet. They benefited from the perfect storm of decent team meets ultra weak schedule. Oh and a BCS trophy in 5-10 years will be as relevant as a Cotton Bowl or Gator Bowl trophy.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The BCS is dead after this season and no one cares what any team did 6 years ago

Having a BCS trophy will be similar to being in the new "playoff".

I think some of you are going to be a bit disappointed by what this playoff really is. These bowls are all staying. The same bowls (Rose, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta) will all still be head and shoulders above the rest.