Jaworski rates Chiefs QB at No. 20 among NFL starters

[Valiant]

Ban the worthless trolls. They would not know football from their asses.

[Hammock Parties]

I wasn't the "first" to do anything but suck Cassel off hard before he had even played a down for us.

But you are right that I was extremely critical of him during 2010. That Buffalo game made me start to ****ing hate him, and it only grew from there.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

But you are right that I was extremely critical of him during 2010. That Buffalo game made me start to ****ing hate him, and it only grew from there.

Yep. Pawnmower fell hard for Matt. That was funny.

[duncan_idaho]

Man, what terrible fans they have in San Francisco.

Look at this blog that dares to question the experts running a San Francisco franchise, that thinks a player sucks because of his observable history.

What bad fans.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Man, what terrible fans they have in San Francisco.

Look at this blog that dares to question the experts running a San Francisco franchise, that thinks a player sucks because of his observable history.

What bad fans.

This whole post is nonsensical.

You are equating SF picking up Frenchy to what? KC trading for Smith? Really?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This whole post is nonsensical.

You are equating SF picking up Frenchy to what? KC trading for Smith? Really?

reductio ad absurdum

Our favorite Niners/Chiefs fan keeps telling anyone who isn't 100 percent sold on the front office moves that they're a terrible fan because they don't have faith in the "experts" in the GM and coach's seats.

Here is a San Francisco fan being extremely snarky, disappointed and critical of the Jeff Francoeur pickup and what it means for his team.

Guess he must be a terrible fan, too, since he dares to question the front office and criticize it based on the history of the player being signed.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

reductio ad absurdum

Our favorite Niners/Chiefs fan keeps telling anyone who isn't 100 percent sold on the front office moves that they're a terrible fan because they don't have faith in the "experts" in the GM and coach's seats.

Here is a San Francisco fan being extremely snarky, disappointed and critical of the Jeff Francoeur pickup and what it means for his team.

Guess he must be a terrible fan, too, since he dares to question the front office and criticize it based on the history of the player being signed.

Gotcha.

I think SOC proved last year that you don't have to have faith in the FO to be a good fan once that FO has proven inadequate. IN that case being a good fan meant voicing your displeasure loud enough to make an impact.

However railing on a FO that hasn't shown any propensity to be incompetent is kind of silly.

The Giants are well run organization. If you read that whole blog the guy isn't that harsh on the move IMO anyway.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Gotcha.

I think SOC proved last year that you don't have to have faith in the FO to be a good fan once that FO has proven inadequate. IN that case being a good fan meant voicing your displeasure loud enough to make an impact.

However railing on a FO that hasn't shown any propensity to be incompetent is kind of silly.

The Giants are well run organization. If you read that whole blog the guy isn't that harsh on the move IMO anyway.

I think you can rail on the Alex Smith move without being critical of the Chiefs front office. I like everything they've done, with ONE exception (it just happens to be at the most important spot on the field).

They gave up a LOT for Smith, and I'm concerned about how tied the FO is to him. It's possible they'll cut him/replace him/trade him/draft his replacement after this season if it doesn't work the way Andy Reid wants it to work.

If he does end up being just a one- or two-year stopgap, Dorsey got ripped off at an epic level in the trade with the 49ers.

After so many years of dumbassery from the Chiefs front office when it comes to the QB spot, I'm going to HAVE to see the new front office make the right move at that spot before I believe they will.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Gotcha.

I think SOC proved last year that you don't have to have faith in the FO to be a good fan once that FO has proven inadequate. IN that case being a good fan meant voicing your displeasure loud enough to make an impact.

However railing on a FO that hasn't shown any propensity to be incompetent is kind of silly.

The Giants are well run organization. If you read that whole blog the guy isn't that harsh on the move IMO anyway.

They haven't yet shown any indications that they are competent either... what's your point?

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Our favorite Niners/Chiefs fan keeps telling anyone who isn't 100 percent sold on the front office moves that they're a terrible fan because they don't have faith in the "experts" in the GM and coach's seats.

This is a gross and silly exaggeration that you choose to believe. I think you know this too. I have never stated that you must be 100% sold. All I have ever said is that fans should see this many changes and have SOME hope. I have never given the open-minded people any grief about their wait-n-see, mature dispositions. I only condemn those who claim to know that KC is doomed.. and so they bleed from their vaginas here daily as if the 2013 has no chance of success.

Most of your posts have some semblance of intelligence... so if you truly didn't comprehend this before.. I hope you are at least able to now.

... and for so many crybabies asking me to leave? Why not just put me on that fruity "ignore" list? Feel free. I'm only here to read and possibly discuss football with those that are willing to give the team a chance. Those who do nothing but cry... those who have accepted defeat already... they can all jump off a cliff for all I care. That would only improve CP and the KC fan base.

[O.city]

Wait, I thought it was irrelevant what previous front offices have done with picks and qb decisions?

If that's the case why do we think this front office will have shitty 2 round picks like the previous ones have?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Gotcha.

I think SOC proved last year that you don't have to have faith in the FO to be a good fan once that FO has proven inadequate. IN that case being a good fan meant voicing your displeasure loud enough to make an impact.

However railing on a FO that hasn't shown any propensity to be incompetent is kind of silly.

The Giants are well run organization. If you read that whole blog the guy isn't that harsh on the move IMO anyway.

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think CP's belief in value of 2nd round picks is exaggerated.

They gave up 1 too many 2nd rounders I agree. No need to lose your shit over a 2nd round pick though.

I think these two statements are at odds with one another.

Carl Peterson and Scooter Pioli sucked at drafting with their 2nd round picks. They also both made big errors in trading for and relying on other teams' leftovers at the QB position.

If you give Dorsey the benefit of the doubt on the QB thing, don't you ALSO have to give him the benefit of the doubt on the 2nd round pick?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I think these two statements are at odds with one another.

Carl Peterson and Scooter Pioli sucked at drafting with their 2nd round picks. They also both made big errors in trading for and relying on other teams' leftovers at the QB position.

If you give Dorsey the benefit of the doubt on the QB thing, don't you ALSO have to give him the benefit of the doubt on the 2nd round pick?

I'm not that concerned about the other 2nd rounder so I don't see any issue with giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I think in the end if Smith does what Dorsey and Reid expect him to do that 2nd rounder wont matter. I'm confident they expect to win and to win soon. The whole logic for the move was this isn't going to be a a rebuilding year.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I'm not that concerned about the other 2nd rounder so I don't see any issue with giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I think in the end if Smith does what Dorsey and Reid expect him to do that 2nd rounder wont matter. I'm confident they expect to win and to win soon. The whole logic for the move was this isn't going to be a a rebuilding year.

Exactly- win now!! Love it! calling it a "rebuilding year" is just an excuse to say-"well maybe next year".

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I'm not that concerned about the other 2nd rounder so I don't see any issue with giving him the benefit of the doubt.

And here I'll disagree.

This is like buying a new house and having a problem with your foundation and some guys come in and say "I'll spackle some $3it up there so it doesn't leak for 3 years and the realtors won't notice!"

Uh...not the solution I was looking for...