Wow. Was he in the wrong? - Page 2

MIAdragon · 11-21-2007, 10:02 AM

Not sure if this is a re-post or not.

Widow of suspected burglar speaks about her husband's death.

Listen to the 911 audio tape.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=5766455

MIAdragon · 11-21-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I wonder if this guy likes the new size servings of Jimmy Dean sausage

tooge · 11-21-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio

This kind of stuff was bound to happen once state legislators decided to get stupid and pass unnecessary laws leading the stupid to believe that they could kill people over property.

According to the 9-1-1 call, the dumb*ss cited a change in the law as a reason for him to kill the burglars.

Now according to the news story, Mr. Horn is crying like a b*tch at his lawyer's office, because he committed premeditated murder and ignored the directions from the 9-1-1 operator to not go outside.

That is premeditated murder, he should be prosecuted and the moron legislators that pandered to the stupid bear some of the culpability.

Opinions like this make me want to shoot someone. C'mon. I would have done the same thing as Mr. Horn and slept just fine that night. these two losers were stealing from someone elses home. Fuk em. what if there were a small child asleep in the next house they rob. How does that kid fare? Kill all these rotten bastards that think they can take what others earn without asking. If more people were like Mr. Horn, we wouldn't have overpopulated prisons and repeat offenders. this outcome is exactly what should happen!

Bump · 11-21-2007, 04:31 PM

well I'm relieved that that Mr. Horn killed one of them, too bad he couldn't get the other one. I hope Joe Horn doesn't get in too much trouble or any for that matter. Something needs to happen with all of these low-life criminals that damage this society.

jettio · 11-21-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

Opinions like this make me want to shoot someone. C'mon. I would have done the same thing as Mr. Horn and slept just fine that night. these two losers were stealing from someone elses home. Fuk em. what if there were a small child asleep in the next house they rob. How does that kid fare? Kill all these rotten bastards that think they can take what others earn without asking. If more people were like Mr. Horn, we wouldn't have overpopulated prisons and repeat offenders. this outcome is exactly what should happen!

The outcome is that Mr. Horn's got good reason to be crying like a b*tch at his lawyer's office. He will be charged, prosecuted and probably cop a plea to a criminal homicide charge.

He will also likely be a party to a wrongful death civil suit where, if he has homeowner's liabilty insurance, the insurance company will be trying to avoid coverage because he committed an intentional criminal act. They might also argue that he shot from his property at the two burglars when those two were not on his property, which is probably true.

Mr. Horn fucked his own life up, by being stupid enough to think like you. You ought to go ahead and follow in his footsteps. It really is not impossible for you to find a burglary suspect and for you to do the same heroic thing as Mr. Horn. Go ahead and make your day.

jettio · 11-21-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Sure you’ve got the right guy?

Not like I give much of a chit about Rumsfeld one way or another.

If I posted as much stupid sh*t in support of

-Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld as you have I would also pretend to have forgotten it by now.

Uncle_Ted · 11-21-2007, 04:58 PM

Obviously this dumbass has never seen Southpark ... otherwise he'd know that all you have to do is yell "they're heading right for us!" and then it's a-ok to start blasting.

The issue that people are skirting is that when an authority figure gives people permission to do bad things to other people, there's a substantial percentage who will take every opportunity to do it unless they are tightly controlled. It's the reason why police-related shootings are tightly investigated ... police have the right to use deadly force, so there has to be strict oversight.

Cases like this are the reason why immunity statutes are a bad idea. By having prosecutors and juries ultimately decide if a shooting is justified, you look at the totality of the facts to determine whether or not a shooter was acting reasonably. Otherwise dumbasses like this guy will think they have carte blanche to start executing people for crimes against someone else's property.

All that said, when all the facts come out this shooting might have been justifiable self-defense ... but automatically deciding the issue just because the burglars were "bad guys" isn't a workable legal system.

**Buck** · 11-21-2007, 06:54 PM

**** no he wasn't in the right. Dumb redneck piece of shit.

damaticous · 11-21-2007, 07:07 PM

The strong will survive.

If you're stupid enough to keep getting into trouble you're stupid enough to suffer the consequences...if he's stupid enough to rob a house while still on parole/probation then he deserves what is coming to him. Bumber deal for his wife and kid that have to suffer, but the wife is the one who choose to marry and have a kid with the guy. So I would say that her choice wasn't that bright either...bumber deal that she has to live with her unwise choice. Hopefully she will learn from this and start making better choices for herself.

**Easy 6** · 11-21-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I view it as an inherent risk of one's chosen occupation.

Thread over.

Good riddance ya f&cking thief.

Frazod · 11-21-2007, 07:33 PM

One less thieving scumbag in the world. You should be able to shoot them for sport. God knows they enjoy shooting law-abiding citizens for sport. Should Horn have known better than to do this? Sure, in this pussy-whipped day and age, absolutely. But IMO, the only thing he did wrong was telegraph his intentions to the fucking police (who, of course, would NOT have showed up in time to stop the thieves). He should have just popped the fuckers and said they were coming after him.

Figures mcant would lead the

brigade. Head on over to mcant's house and steal all his shit - he'll help you carry it out to your car, tell you its not your fault, and call you bro.

MIAdragon · 11-21-2007, 07:35 PM

[QUOTE=frazod]You should be able to shoot them for sport. QUOTE]

CHIEF4EVER · 11-21-2007, 08:26 PM

I have just been reminded what it is about whiny ass weak tea sucking commie shitbags that I don't like. Jettio has his panties in a bunch because someone defended himself with a gun. Jettio is one of those ultra liberal pissants who HATES the second Amendment but claims to not have a problem with enacted laws.

The guy said "NO, you're dead.". That would indicate a response to something like "You are dead old man". The guy defended his life which is perfectly legal (not to mention justifiable considering he was outnumbered 2-1 by men 40 years his junior and obviously not of the best moral fibre). Keep making victims of the perps "counselor".

**Easy 6** · 11-21-2007, 08:41 PM

This reminds me of a story i read no more than a few days ago, i believe it was in California...north of Frisco, where 3 men broke into a home containing a man, his wife & her son.

They beat the son with a baseball bat so bad that he is now brain damaged & in a special care home, unable to feed himself. At some point the homeowner managed to get ahold of his gun & kill 2 of the perps as the other one ran. They didnt have their backs to him or anything of the sort, they were still in the act.

So what happens???...the leader of the NAACP in Frisco decries this terrible action..."these "boys" didnt deserve to die like that" & the mother of one is up in arms about it with the press.

Oh those poor, poor "boys"...out robbing people & nearly beating one to death. Am i really supposed to feel bad here???...F&CK those MOTHERF&CKERS...play with matches...get burned.

MIAdragon · 11-21-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

This reminds me of a story i read no more than a few days ago, i believe it was in California...north of Frisco, where 3 men broke into a home containing a man, his wife & her son.

They beat the son with a baseball bat so bad that he is now brain damaged & in a special care home, unable to feed himself. At some point the homeowner managed to get ahold of his gun & kill 2 of the perps as the other one ran. They didnt have their backs to him or anything of the sort, they were still in the act.

So what happens???...the leader of the NAACP in Frisco decries this terrible action..."these "boys" didnt deserve to die like that" & the mother of one is up in arms about it with the press.

Oh those poor, poor "boys"...out robbing people & nearly beating one to death. Am i really supposed to feel bad here???...F&CK those MOTHERF&CKERS...play with matches...get burned.

The NAACP is such a joke.

BWillie · 11-21-2007, 08:59 PM

Have you listened to this video? I was listening to this on CNN and it is ridiculous. I honestly think this guy should get AT LEAST the most severe manslaughter chargers. He had intent to kill these guys. He was on the phone with 911, they told him repeatedly to not go out. Yet he's like no this isn't right. He even says he IS GOING to kill them. He tells the 911 he has a shotgun and is going to shoot both of them. After 911 tells him not to go out there about FIFTY times, he goes out there and says..

"If you move you are dead"

They apparently move and he shoots them.

What a ****ing hillbilly. Not saying these guys were in the right, but come one, shooting them to kill? They were not trying to inflict physical harm on anybody. This wasn't even his OWN HOUSE. He didn't even know these neighbors, and he was not in fear of his own life. He instigated the WHOLE ENTIRE conflict once he went outside with a freaking gun. He watched long and hard with DIRECTION from a 911 aid, yet he still premeditates this. I would think much differently if you unknownly saw somebody suddenly break into your own room, but this call from this guy just makes me sick.

MIAdragon · 11-21-2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

Have you listened to this video? I was listening to this on CNN and it is ridiculous. I honestly think this guy should get AT LEAST the most severe manslaughter chargers. He had intent to kill these guys. He was on the phone with 911, they told him repeatedly to not go out. Yet he's like no this isn't right. He even says he IS GOING to kill them. He tells the 911 he has a shotgun and is going to shoot both of them. After 911 tells him not to go out there about FIFTY times, he goes out there and says..

"If you move you are dead"

They apparently move and he shoots them.

What a ****ing hillbilly. Not saying these guys were in the right, but come one, shooting them to kill? They were not trying to inflict physical harm on anybody. This wasn't even his OWN HOUSE. He didn't even know these neighbors, and he was not in fear of his own life. He instigated the WHOLE ENTIRE conflict once he went outside with a freaking gun. He watched long and hard with DIRECTION from a 911 aid, yet he still premeditates this. I would think much differently if you unknownly saw somebody suddenly break into your own room, but this call from this guy just makes me sick.

I see your point but what if the guys got away then the next day they came to HIS house and possibly harmed him. This really is the PD's fault why they took so long to respond is beyond me.

damaticous · 11-21-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

Have you listened to this video? I was listening to this on CNN and it is ridiculous. I honestly think this guy should get AT LEAST the most severe manslaughter chargers. He had intent to kill these guys. He was on the phone with 911, they told him repeatedly to not go out. Yet he's like no this isn't right. He even says he IS GOING to kill them. He tells the 911 he has a shotgun and is going to shoot both of them. After 911 tells him not to go out there about FIFTY times, he goes out there and says..

"If you move you are dead"

They apparently move and he shoots them.

What a ****ing hillbilly. Not saying these guys were in the right, but come one, shooting them to kill? They were not trying to inflict physical harm on anybody. This wasn't even his OWN HOUSE. He didn't even know these neighbors, and he was not in fear of his own life. He instigated the WHOLE ENTIRE conflict once he went outside with a freaking gun. He watched long and hard with DIRECTION from a 911 aid, yet he still premeditates this. I would think much differently if you unknownly saw somebody suddenly break into your own room, but this call from this guy just makes me sick.

I too understand where you are coming from and I agree with you that he shouldn't have gone outside. He should have stayed in his own house and waited. Then, I believe, he would have had the right to shoot them.

BUT, how many robbers only hit ONE house.

Also, what is the likelihood that the robbers would have robbed his house? my opinion, pretty likely. It's even been said that the robbers were in his yard (property) and within 15 ft of his porch...I believe.

Should he have stayed in his house, my opinion says yes. But there are a lot of people out there, me included, that believe in helping thy neighbor and protecting what is morally right.

I believe, VERY MUCH, in the "Golden Rule". So, to me, I'm glad that the guy did this world a favor and think it's sad that he will most likely be tried in some sort of court guilty of premeditated murder of some sort.

BUT on the other hand I believe that he could have, and probably should have, given the proper authorities the needed descriptions as best he could and let the proper authorities taken care of the issue. I believe that he could then say he did his best without further escalating the situation until someone got killed. Then it would rely fully on the law enforcement, and not him, to take the law into his own hands.

So I see it both ways. BUT I lean more towards the "I'm glad he did it." because the guy was already on probation yet he still made the choice to burglarize a house. Come on!!! seriously! Teh guy was headed down the road to death anyway. Better to have someone that has morals and feels bad about killing him than someone that doesn't give a sh*t "Shim" him and/or kill him in prison.

stumppy · 11-21-2007, 10:13 PM

IMO
Horn went way over the line and should do some time.
The two scumbags that were killed should be doing time, not six foot under. It sounds like Horn is just some gun ho dipshit who watched too many old westerns.

BWillie · 11-21-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

I see your point but what if the guys got away then the next day they came to HIS house and possibly harmed him. This really is the PD's fault why they took so long to respond is beyond me.

If I called the cops right now and said somebody was robbing my house I guarantee you the response time would probably be very similar if not way over 4 minutes. I think the response time was pretty good. While on the phone, the police officers show up immediately after this moron shot the guy.

jettio · 11-21-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

I have just been reminded what it is about whiny ass weak tea sucking commie shitbags that I don't like. Jettio has his panties in a bunch because someone defended himself with a gun. Jettio is one of those ultra liberal pissants who HATES the second Amendment but claims to not have a problem with enacted laws.

The guy said "NO, you're dead.". That would indicate a response to something like "You are dead old man". The guy defended his life which is perfectly legal (not to mention justifiable considering he was outnumbered 2-1 by men 40 years his junior and obviously not of the best moral fibre). Keep making victims of the perps "counselor".

Maybe you can file a motion to dismiss the charges that "Mr. Crying like a b*tch at his lawyer's office Horn" will be facing.

I have not posted anything sympathetic to the burglars, you can give "Mr. I am so sorry that I did it please send me some Kleenex while I cry like a b*tch Horn" all of the attaboys that you like and his dumb*ss will still be in jail.

Reality matters dipsh*t. You can imagine all of the nonsense that you like, but the truth is, Mr. Horn was stupid enough to think that his legislature passed a law that gave him a right to whack any criminals caught in the act. He did it and learned right away that he was wrong. Your hero Mr. Crying like a b*tch ruined his life.

You can praise him all you like, but it will not make the prison gruel taste any better.

MIAdragon · 11-22-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

If I called the cops right now and said somebody was robbing my house I guarantee you the response time would probably be very similar if not way over 4 minutes. I think the response time was pretty good. While on the phone, the police officers show up immediately after this moron shot the guy.

Id hope if I called saying someone was in my home they would hurry a little more than they did with him. 4 mins is A LONG time.

Al Bundy · 11-22-2007, 11:05 AM

I think Joe Horn might have saved some peoples lives. These guys were up to no good and without a doubt would have caused serious harm if not to Horn then to the next person's house they rob.

Oh Snap · 11-27-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

Have you listened to this video? I was listening to this on CNN and it is ridiculous. I honestly think this guy should get AT LEAST the most severe manslaughter chargers. He had intent to kill these guys. He was on the phone with 911, they told him repeatedly to not go out. Yet he's like no this isn't right. He even says he IS GOING to kill them. He tells the 911 he has a shotgun and is going to shoot both of them. After 911 tells him not to go out there about FIFTY times, he goes out there and says..

"If you move you are dead"

They apparently move and he shoots them.

What a ****ing hillbilly. Not saying these guys were in the right, but come one, shooting them to kill? They were not trying to inflict physical harm on anybody. This wasn't even his OWN HOUSE. He didn't even know these neighbors, and he was not in fear of his own life. He instigated the WHOLE ENTIRE conflict once he went outside with a freaking gun. He watched long and hard with DIRECTION from a 911 aid, yet he still premeditates this. I would think much differently if you unknownly saw somebody suddenly break into your own room, but this call from this guy just makes me sick.

I havent heard the CNN one. But I think this sends a message. Come and rob my house, and be prepared to face the consequences of such actions. These guys were up to NO GOOD. Did they deserve to die? Who knows..probably not. but they could have very well hurt/killed someone themselves...It has happened all to often in the past.

jettio · 11-29-2007, 04:17 PM

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You wouldn't because you're a liberal twunt who thinks these scoundrels are always the victims. I can't think of a time when mcan didn't side with the poor misunderstood child molester, executed murderer et al.

I'll give the dumbass redneck the benefit of the doubt of being fired up by adrelaline and fear.

I can't think of a situation where I'll ever side with someone who is breaking into someone else's home.

If someone enters your home in these situations, you HAVE to assume they have the worst of intentions. People of morals don't invade other person's home.

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Holy shit, I just got told! Please allow me to defend myself:

1) I'm not even a liberal. I consider myself a moderate that believes in individual freedoms. The more ability a nation gets to take care of its people, the more that nation should take care of its people. In that way, I suppose I have some socialist tendencies. But I feel like the government shouldn't step into other peoples' business any more than it absolutley has to. I believe in equal rights for all, but I'm against any kind of affirmative action in the private sector. I believe that all violent crimes are "hate crimes" and I'm very sensitive to anything that smacks of reverse racism. In fact, I don't like that term. Racism is what it is no matter the color of your skin. I also believe that people are WAY too sensitive about everything today. I believe you have to TAKE offense, as it can not be GIVEN. I also believe that those freedoms we give willingly to people we agree with are the same freedoms we must be obligated to give those that we hate.

2) As for me supporting child molestation, I believe you're EXTREMELY mistaken and frankly, you're an asshole for saying so. I'm not denying that I have had many a heated discussion about sex on this forum. The biggest one being the Dakota Fanning debate. I got chewed out for saying that people should see the movie before they demonize the girls' parents and the director. And that calling a movie "child porn" before it's even released is short sighted to say the least. If that makes me a child molestor, than I'm EXTREMELY FUC#ING HAPPY YOU'RE NOT HOLDING A GUN TO MY HEAD! Since I now know your opinions about vigilante justice.

3) I agree, people with morals don't break into other peoples' homes. I'll also state that people of morals don't usually admit to wanting to kill somebody over and over and then go and shoot them.

If you are waiting for that cowardly gutless chickensh*t of an Iowanian to answer. Forget about that. He does not have the sand to answer in the same thread when he is all the way wrong.

What the chickensh*t will do, is lie about what you posted in a later thread and hope that his friends believe his gutless lying azz.

Radar Chief · 11-29-2007, 04:25 PM

Thanks for bringing this back, Jettio. I hadn’t seen this response.

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Originally Posted by jettio

If I posted as much stupid sh*t in support of

-Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld as you have I would also pretend to have forgotten it by now.

All I’ve ever done is correct your hormonal whinings with links to the verifiable facts as they are known to us. That you need to demagogue this as a defense of anyone says more about you than me.

jettio · 11-29-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Thanks for bringing this back, Jettio. I hadn’t seen this response.

All I’ve ever done is correct your hormonal whinings with links to the verifiable facts as they are known to us. That you need to demagogue this as a defense of anyone says more about you than me.

That reads like something Rumsfeld might say.

Simplex3 · 11-29-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio

The outcome is that Mr. Horn's got good reason to be crying like a b*tch at his lawyer's office. He will be charged, prosecuted and probably cop a plea to a criminal homicide charge.

They have to find 12 Texans willing to convict him first. Unless his lawyer is a complete fool they'll get at least 5 people on that jury that will never convict.

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Originally Posted by jettio

He will also likely be a party to a wrongful death civil suit where, if he has homeowner's liabilty insurance, the insurance company will be trying to avoid coverage because he committed an intentional criminal act. They might also argue that he shot from his property at the two burglars when those two were not on his property, which is probably true.

Mr. Horn fucked his own life up, by being stupid enough to think like you. You ought to go ahead and follow in his footsteps. It really is not impossible for you to find a burglary suspect and for you to do the same heroic thing as Mr. Horn. Go ahead and make your day.

You're probably right. He should have killed them AND their entire families.

jettio · 11-29-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

They have to find 12 Texans willing to convict him first. Unless his lawyer is a complete fool they'll get at least 5 people on that jury that will never convict.

You're probably right. He should have killed them AND their entire families.

I think if the prosecutor makes an honest effort at an indictment to the grand jury, an indictment issues.

I would expect that if an indictment issues, his lawyer won't take a chance with a 61 y/o man and that 9-1-1 tape, and that there will be a plea bargain.

If he is a first-time offender, I would expect that the prosecutor would give him some kind of break for not understanding that the change in law did not allow him to do that.

A prosecutor could not afford to lose a case like that and if the old man is taking it as hard as his lawyer says he is, I don't think the old man could afford to risk a trial.

**Iowanian** · 11-29-2007, 05:51 PM

I'm not exactly sure what brave, gut filled question you'd like to have answered.

I think you're a slimy, shitbag, rubbernecking, dumb**** that has no idea what guts, chickenshit, intestinal fortitude might actually relate to.

You're a dumbass. A rubberneck, flat pecker with a giant butthurt.

Its funny.

I may not have sand, but you clearly do......an entire vagina packed full of it.

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If you are waiting for that cowardly gutless chickensh*t of an Iowanian to answer. Forget about that. He does not have the sand to answer in the same thread when he is all the way wrong.

What the chickensh*t will do, is lie about what you posted in a later thread and hope that his friends believe his gutless lying azz.

This guy did society a favor, and gave a handful of ambulance chasing scumbag lawyers an entire year of work.

jettio · 11-29-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

I'm not exactly sure what brave, gut filled question you'd like to have answered.

I think you're a slimy, shitbag, rubbernecking, dumb**** that has no idea what guts, chickenshit, intestinal fortitude might actually relate to.

You're a dumbass. A rubberneck, flat pecker with a giant butthurt.

Its funny.

I may not have sand, but you clearly do......an entire vagina packed full of it.

This guy did society a favor, and gave a handful of ambulance chasing scumbag lawyers an entire year of work.

What reward are you going to give him for doing society a favor?

Stay at home and post your support on an internet bbs.

That it not going to help the poor fella a whole lot.

Simplex3 · 11-29-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio

I think if the prosecutor makes an honest effort at an indictment to the grand jury, an indictment issues.

I would expect that if an indictment issues, his lawyer won't take a chance with a 61 y/o man and that 9-1-1 tape, and that there will be a plea bargain.

If he is a first-time offender, I would expect that the prosecutor would give him some kind of break for not understanding that the change in law did not allow him to do that.

A prosecutor could not afford to lose a case like that and if the old man is taking it as hard as his lawyer says he is, I don't think the old man could afford to risk a trial.

So we're going to spend a bunch of legal dollars making sure this guy doesn't get punished. Great plan.

And if I'm this guy I don't plead to jack s**t. He would get off.

jettio · 11-29-2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3

So we're going to spend a bunch of legal dollars making sure this guy doesn't get punished. Great plan.

And if I'm this guy I don't plead to jack s**t. He would get off.

I doubt that. If he were charged with 1st or 2nd degree murder, and lesser included manslaughter was submitted he would get convicted of manslaughter, at least.

The 9-1-1 call that you may or may not have listened to will be in evidence. You don't tell the 9-1-1 operator that you are rejecting his advice and going outside to kill two people if the police do not show up first, kill two people and, then, get a free pass.

**Iowanian** · 11-29-2007, 11:49 PM

I'm going to send his wife a "beware of owner" sign for her yard.

911 operators have zero authority, cornhead cornheaded cornhead.

jettio · 11-29-2007, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

I'm going to send his wife a "beware of owner" sign for her yard.

911 operators have zero authority, cornhead cornheaded cornhead.

Mr. Horn will be facing a charge for criminal homicide, not disobeying the lawful order of a 9-1-1 operator.

The 9-1-1 call will be evidence against him.

I post my point of view about real life, and I am assuming that this story is about something that really happened and that the linked 9-1-1 call is real.

Maybe you live in some land of make believe, and think that Mr. Horn does not really exist, or that the law is what you imagine it to be in your world of make believe.

You really ought to come clean about whether you are doing drugs or are just incredibly dumb.

Extra Point · 11-30-2007, 12:20 AM

Man 1. 5 years parole. Otherwise, the grasshoppers take over the ant's house, provided the trial goes beyond the next pres election, and a dem gets in.

Of course, you've heard that Rodney King got shot?

Demonpenz · 11-30-2007, 12:25 AM

I remmeber one time this guy set up a shotgun because kids were breaking into his house. He set up a shotgun to blow whoever's head off that broke in next. I think that guy is doing life right now.

**Iowanian** · 11-30-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jettio

You really ought to come clean about whether you are doing drugs or are just incredibly dumb.

Please seek treatment before that bacterial vaginosis becomes overwhelming to the other's in the elevator you're riding to the dumbf@ck penthouse.

BWillie · 11-30-2007, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jettio

Mr. Horn will be facing a charge for criminal homicide, not disobeying the lawful order of a 9-1-1 operator.

The 9-1-1 call will be evidence against him.

I post my point of view about real life, and I am assuming that this story is about something that really happened and that the linked 9-1-1 call is real.

Maybe you live in some land of make believe, and think that Mr. Horn does not really exist, or that the law is what you imagine it to be in your world of make believe.

You really ought to come clean about whether you are doing drugs or are just incredibly dumb.

I agree with you jettio. For the life of me, I cannot figure out how there are actually people siding with Mr. Horn after what he said to the 911 operator. It has nothing to do with if the 911 operator has any authority or not. I mean did they not listen to the entire footage? The guy has intent to kill throughout the entire footage. It makes me wonder. Does everybody on CP have a total disregard to the law? Do you blow the head off of the shady guy that is knocking on your door trying to sell you magazines? Do you blow the high school kid away that is in your shed stealing your moonshine? I mean where do we draw the line?

greg63 · 11-30-2007, 01:09 AM

I understand the sentiment but the guy was wrong IMO.

**Iowanian** · 11-30-2007, 07:38 AM

Mr Horn was likely just worried that these home invaders had just given his neighbor, or had intentions of entering his home and giving him the Shawn Taylor Business.

If you don't think a person has to assume that anyone who would break into your home isn't a dangerous person, you're either naive, or an id-10-t

Radar Chief · 11-30-2007, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jettio

That reads like something Rumsfeld might say.

Speaking of “chicken shit” responses……

stevieray · 11-30-2007, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Speaking of “chicken shit” responses……

yup, jettio always shows up when life makes him feel butthurt.

jettio · 11-30-2007, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Thanks for bringing this back, Jettio. I hadn’t seen this response.

All I’ve ever done is correct your hormonal whinings with links to the verifiable facts as they are known to us. That you need to demagogue this as a defense of anyone says more about you than me.

So you claim that this post deserves a thoughtful reply.

As to your last paragraph, first sentence: You think you are right all the time? You have been right about what? Iraq? I don't think so.

As to your last paragraph, second sentence: I can't figure out what you mean by that.

jettio · 11-30-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

yup, jettio always shows up when life makes him feel butthurt.

Just make sure that your buddy, Iowanian, gets the message to have enough self-respect and respect for chiefs planet not to post false words in another poster's name.

I don't think I ever saw anything like that around here.

I think if you pop into a thread about something serious and you have another poster, out of nowhere, use your name and say that you advocate a position that you would never advocate, you would not appreciate it.

Radar Chief · 11-30-2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jettio

So you claim that this post deserves a thoughtful reply.

I’m just playing your petty little game.

Doesn't surprise me you have troubles handling it.

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Originally Posted by jettio

As to your last paragraph, first sentence: You think you are right all the time? You have been right about what? Iraq? I don't think so.

As to your last paragraph, second sentence: I can't figure out what you mean by that.

Sounds like something Madeleine Albright might say.

Radar Chief · 11-30-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jettio

Just make sure that your buddy, Iowanian, gets the message to have enough self-respect and respect for chiefs planet not to post false words in another poster's name.

I don't think I ever saw anything like that around here.

I think if you pop into a thread about something serious and you have another poster, out of nowhere, use your name and say that you advocate a position that you would never advocate, you would not appreciate it.

Well, when you show up calling people “pussies” and “chicken shit”, generally acting like a jackass, you should expect to be treated like a jackass. Why is this simple cause / effect relationship so hard for you to figure out?

**Iowanian** · 11-30-2007, 08:38 AM

...because jettio is a giant, gaping, bukake'd beef curtain cave.

I don't think I've seen a 4 day temper tantrum in the history of the planet. Jettio is like a giant swamp puffball of dumbf@ck, just waiting for something to step on it so it can pfffffffffffffffffft.

2 jettios 1 cup.

jettio · 11-30-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Well, when you show up calling people “pussies” and “chicken shit”, generally acting like a jackass, you should expect to be treated like a jackass. Why is this simple cause / effect relationship so hard for you to figure out?

You post makes no sense. How does that justify someone putting false words in another poster's name?

Only a cowardly gutless chickensh*t, Iowanian, would put false words in another poster's name.

I have posted my strong opinions since I have been here, and Iowanian is the only one that crossed that line.

You can rationalize in his favor all you want, fact is, he loses respect for being a lying chickensh*t that would put false words in another poster's name.

Orlandochiefsgrl · 11-30-2007, 09:07 AM

Home invasions are one of the most dangerous around florida, they lead to kidnapping, rape, torture, beating and death etc. and did I mention RAPE, of men and women!!
Come on, who wouldn't be scared thinking these guys might come back, esp. if they know it was me that called the po po on them. They were a threat to the whole neighbor and society in general it turns out.
When bad things happen during a crime, it is ONLY the criminals fault, esp. when said criminals actions are a direct result of those bad things, that wouldn't have normally happened if not for their criminal activity.

crazycoffey · 11-30-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

C'mon now...

shut the F up, pussy

and yes I did read the thread......
you chickenshits

Radar Chief · 11-30-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jettio

You post makes no sense. How does that justify someone putting false words in another poster's name?

Only a cowardly gutless chickensh*t, Iowanian, would put false words in another poster's name.

I have posted my strong opinions since I have been here, and Iowanian is the only one that crossed that line.

You can rationalize in his favor all you want, fact is, he loses respect for being a lying chickensh*t that would put false words in another poster's name.

If I were in your shoes I’d try to wave off my explanation as something else too.

Radar Chief · 11-30-2007, 10:40 AM

Well it happened again. Aparently last night in Porter, TX only this time the guy was in the house being broken into.

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Homeowner shoots and kills suspected burglar in Porter
By Laura Whitley
(11/29/07 - KTRK/PORTER, TX) - A homeowner in Porter shot and killed a suspected burglar Thursday. And the situation became so intense that the homeowner himself was taken to the hospital.
We're also learning there have been other problems with crime in the neighborhood on West Hammond near Highway 59.
Around 1:30pm, property owner Gary Southworth called 911 and said that he'd shot a man who was stealing from him and that he needed help. Paramedics rushed the suspected thief to Kingwood Hospital, but he died from his wounds.
Paramedics had to also take Southworth to the hospital after the shooting because the 60-year-old was having chest pains. Meanwhile, his wife, Alberta Southworth, says thieves had hit them several times recently.
"It's beyond awful," she said. "It's our whole life, I mean, he's been so sick and all we have left to live on is what they've stolen. We have nothing now. They took our bank account basically."
"He had reported two thefts in the past two days that had occurred in the nighttime hours," said Sgt. Bill Bucks with the Montgomery County Sheriff's Department. "It's my understanding that this is not his primary residence, but he does own the property. He came back to watch and make sure nobody stole anything from his house."
A new law that just went into effect in September allows Texans to defend themselves with deadly force in their homes, cars and work places. The Castle Doctrine removes the requirement that a person must attempt to retreat before using deadly force.
It's important to note that the deputy told us that when Southworth called 911, he was requesting help for the man he just shot.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=5793118

crazycoffey · 11-30-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Well it happened again. Aparently last night in Porter, TX only this time the guy was in the house being broken into.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=5793118

1+2=3

owning a gun + a burglar in the house = someone getting shot. Glad it was the right one this time.

**chasedude** · 11-30-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

1+2=3

owning a gun + a burglar in the house = someone getting shot. Glad it was the right one this time.

Self preservation, works everytime.

11-21-2007, 10:02 AM
MIAdragon Someone pass the antifreeze Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Miami (North Cuba) Casino cash: $1617819	Wow. Was he in the wrong? Not sure if this is a re-post or not. Widow of suspected burglar speaks about her husband's death. Listen to the 911 audio tape. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=5766455
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11-21-2007, 04:31 PM	#83
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $2255105	well I'm relieved that that Mr. Horn killed one of them, too bad he couldn't get the other one. I hope Joe Horn doesn't get in too much trouble or any for that matter. Something needs to happen with all of these low-life criminals that damage this society. __________________
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11-21-2007, 04:58 PM	#86
Uncle_Ted We're the band! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chicago Casino cash: $10008915	Obviously this dumbass has never seen Southpark ... otherwise he'd know that all you have to do is yell "they're heading right for us!" and then it's a-ok to start blasting. The issue that people are skirting is that when an authority figure gives people permission to do bad things to other people, there's a substantial percentage who will take every opportunity to do it unless they are tightly controlled. It's the reason why police-related shootings are tightly investigated ... police have the right to use deadly force, so there has to be strict oversight. Cases like this are the reason why immunity statutes are a bad idea. By having prosecutors and juries ultimately decide if a shooting is justified, you look at the totality of the facts to determine whether or not a shooter was acting reasonably. Otherwise dumbasses like this guy will think they have carte blanche to start executing people for crimes against someone else's property. All that said, when all the facts come out this shooting might have been justifiable self-defense ... but automatically deciding the issue just because the burglars were "bad guys" isn't a workable legal system.
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11-21-2007, 06:54 PM	#87
Buck Take a Chill Pill Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Carolina Casino cash: $8329900	**** no he wasn't in the right. Dumb redneck piece of shit.
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11-21-2007, 07:07 PM	#88
damaticous lurker Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: home Casino cash: $9979900	The strong will survive. If you're stupid enough to keep getting into trouble you're stupid enough to suffer the consequences...if he's stupid enough to rob a house while still on parole/probation then he deserves what is coming to him. Bumber deal for his wife and kid that have to suffer, but the wife is the one who choose to marry and have a kid with the guy. So I would say that her choice wasn't that bright either...bumber deal that she has to live with her unwise choice. Hopefully she will learn from this and start making better choices for herself.
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11-21-2007, 07:33 PM	#90
Frazod WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $3145085	One less thieving scumbag in the world. You should be able to shoot them for sport. God knows they enjoy shooting law-abiding citizens for sport. Should Horn have known better than to do this? Sure, in this pussy-whipped day and age, absolutely. But IMO, the only thing he did wrong was telegraph his intentions to the fucking police (who, of course, would NOT have showed up in time to stop the thieves). He should have just popped the fuckers and said they were coming after him. Figures mcant would lead the brigade. Head on over to mcant's house and steal all his shit - he'll help you carry it out to your car, tell you its not your fault, and call you bro.
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11-21-2007, 07:35 PM	#91
MIAdragon Someone pass the antifreeze Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Miami (North Cuba) Casino cash: $1617819	[QUOTE=frazod]You should be able to shoot them for sport. QUOTE]
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11-21-2007, 08:26 PM	#92
CHIEF4EVER Just a man in the 'ghan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Jalalabad, Afghanistan Casino cash: $10004900	I have just been reminded what it is about whiny ass weak tea sucking commie shitbags that I don't like. Jettio has his panties in a bunch because someone defended himself with a gun. Jettio is one of those ultra liberal pissants who HATES the second Amendment but claims to not have a problem with enacted laws. The guy said "NO, you're dead.". That would indicate a response to something like "You are dead old man". The guy defended his life which is perfectly legal (not to mention justifiable considering he was outnumbered 2-1 by men 40 years his junior and obviously not of the best moral fibre). Keep making victims of the perps "counselor". __________________ "Igitur qui deciderat pacem, praeparatur bellum" -Flavius Vegetius Renatus
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11-21-2007, 08:41 PM	#93
Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $3747775	This reminds me of a story i read no more than a few days ago, i believe it was in California...north of Frisco, where 3 men broke into a home containing a man, his wife & her son. They beat the son with a baseball bat so bad that he is now brain damaged & in a special care home, unable to feed himself. At some point the homeowner managed to get ahold of his gun & kill 2 of the perps as the other one ran. They didnt have their backs to him or anything of the sort, they were still in the act. So what happens???...the leader of the NAACP in Frisco decries this terrible action..."these "boys" didnt deserve to die like that" & the mother of one is up in arms about it with the press. Oh those poor, poor "boys"...out robbing people & nearly beating one to death. Am i really supposed to feel bad here???...F&CK those MOTHERF&CKERS...play with matches...get burned.
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11-21-2007, 08:59 PM	#95
BWillie Future NBA Finals MVP Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Earth Casino cash: $2451241	Have you listened to this video? I was listening to this on CNN and it is ridiculous. I honestly think this guy should get AT LEAST the most severe manslaughter chargers. He had intent to kill these guys. He was on the phone with 911, they told him repeatedly to not go out. Yet he's like no this isn't right. He even says he IS GOING to kill them. He tells the 911 he has a shotgun and is going to shoot both of them. After 911 tells him not to go out there about FIFTY times, he goes out there and says.. "If you move you are dead" They apparently move and he shoots them. What a **ing hillbilly. Not saying these guys were in the right, but come one, shooting them to kill? They were not trying to inflict physical harm on anybody. This wasn't even his OWN HOUSE. He didn't even know these neighbors, and he was not in fear of his own life. He instigated the WHOLE ENTIRE conflict once he went outside with a freaking gun. He watched long and hard with DIRECTION from a 911 aid, yet he still premeditates this. I would think much differently if you unknownly saw somebody suddenly break into your own room, but this call from this guy just makes me sick. __________________ Who wants free money? Use the link below to sign up at Bovada, BetOnline, Black Chip Poker and Ignition. Contact me for private deals, spot bonuses, possible rakeback or any questions! Bovada, Ignition, BetOnline, Black Chip Poker: baldeaglepoker.com Bovada Poker is back! Get up to $500 poker deposit bonus.** Last edited by BWillie; 11-21-2007 at 09:15 PM..
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11-21-2007, 10:13 PM	#98
stumppy New and Improved Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Springfield, Mo. Casino cash: $1508590	IMO Horn went way over the line and should do some time. The two scumbags that were killed should be doing time, not six foot under. It sounds like Horn is just some gun ho dipshit who watched too many old westerns. __________________ “As a nation, we can endure damaging policies for a four-year term. But we cannot survive a president willing to terminate our Constitution”
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11-22-2007, 11:05 AM	#102
Al Bundy Damnit Peg Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $5391831	I think Joe Horn might have saved some peoples lives. These guys were up to no good and without a doubt would have caused serious harm if not to Horn then to the next person's house they rob.
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11-29-2007, 11:49 PM	#113
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4778454	I'm going to send his wife a "beware of owner" sign for her yard. 911 operators have zero authority, cornhead cornheaded cornhead.
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11-30-2007, 12:20 AM	#115
Extra Point MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Prairie Village, KS Casino cash: $10004900	Man 1. 5 years parole. Otherwise, the grasshoppers take over the ant's house, provided the trial goes beyond the next pres election, and a dem gets in. Of course, you've heard that Rodney King got shot? __________________ "Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits." --Satchel Paige
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11-30-2007, 12:25 AM	#116
Demonpenz I got Rice cookin in the micro Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Apartment "G UNIT!" Casino cash: $3142136	I remmeber one time this guy set up a shotgun because kids were breaking into his house. He set up a shotgun to blow whoever's head off that broke in next. I think that guy is doing life right now. __________________
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11-30-2007, 01:09 AM	#119
greg63 Homer go crazy!!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SE Kansas Casino cash: $9324990	I understand the sentiment but the guy was wrong IMO. __________________
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11-30-2007, 07:38 AM	#120
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4778454	Mr Horn was likely just worried that these home invaders had just given his neighbor, or had intentions of entering his home and giving him the Shawn Taylor Business. If you don't think a person has to assume that anyone who would break into your home isn't a dangerous person, you're either naive, or an id-10-t
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11-30-2007, 08:38 AM	#127
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4778454	...because jettio is a giant, gaping, bukake'd beef curtain cave. I don't think I've seen a 4 day temper tantrum in the history of the planet. Jettio is like a giant swamp puffball of dumbf@ck, just waiting for something to step on it so it can pfffffffffffffffffft. 2 jettios 1 cup.
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11-30-2007, 09:07 AM	#129
Orlandochiefsgrl Starter Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	Home invasions are one of the most dangerous around florida, they lead to kidnapping, rape, torture, beating and death etc. and did I mention RAPE, of men and women!! Come on, who wouldn't be scared thinking these guys might come back, esp. if they know it was me that called the po po on them. They were a threat to the whole neighbor and society in general it turns out. When bad things happen during a crime, it is ONLY the criminals fault, esp. when said criminals actions are a direct result of those bad things, that wouldn't have normally happened if not for their criminal activity.
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