Chiefs NFL bans the Ravens drop kick used against Chiefs

Deberg_1990 · 10-11-2019, 10:40 AM

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/...just-one-time/

— After having Justin Tucker experiment with a new type of kickoff earlier this year, the Ravens won’t be allowed to utilize their new kick anymore, and that’s because it has now been deemed illegal by the NFL.
Ravens coach John Harbaugh raised some eyebrows back in Week 3 when he sent Tucker out in a clear onside kick situation during Baltimore’s game against Kansas City. With 2:01 left to play, and the Ravens trailing 33-28, the Chiefs thought an onside kick was coming, but instead, Tucker hit them with a surprise dropkick.

It was a smart strategy, but you won’t be seeing it ever again, and that’s because the NFL has banned it. In a recent interview, Harbaugh explained that the league office let him know that the Ravens will no longer be allowed to use the kick, even though the team had been cleared to use it against the Chiefs.
“We talked to [the league office], we explained exactly what we were doing and how it was going to go, and they said it was legal, we could do it,” Harbaugh said, via the Ravens’ Twitter account. “We talked to the officials before the game. They called the league office, again. They had been in contact with the league office, the officiating office, and they said it was legal.”

eDave · 10-11-2019, 10:44 AM

It sure didn't look legal.

-King- · 10-11-2019, 10:47 AM

The kick itself is still legal. How ticket did was illegal. He's not supposed to let the ball bounce two feet off the ground before he kicks it. It's supposed to be almost immediately after it touches the ground.

Deberg_1990 · 10-11-2019, 10:48 AM

The NFL says the drop kick the Ravens used late in their loss to the Chiefs two weeks ago was illegal. Ravens head coach John Harbaugh says he was specifically told otherwise.
The kick, which wasn’t flagged, was a late kickoff attempt on which Justin Tucker bounced the ball off the ground and then kicked it high, like a punt. The Chiefs fair caught it, which was advantageous to the Ravens because a fair catch doesn’t take any time off the clock, and the Ravens were trying to force the Chiefs to run an offensive play before the two-minute warning.
However, the NFL confirmed this week that the kick was illegal.
“By definition, a drop kick is a kick by a player who drops the ball and kicks it as, or immediately after, it touches the ground. If that does not happen, the play should be shut down and a flag thrown for a false start,” the league office said in a statement emailed to PFT.
Harbaugh, however, says the Ravens contacted the league as they were drawing up that play to make sure it was legal, and he was told that it was.
“We were in contact with the league officiating office all the way through,” Harbaugh said, via the Baltimore Sun. “We didn’t just pull it out and decide to try it and sneak it past them.”
Harbaugh accused the league of changing the rule after the fact.
“We explained exactly what we were doing and how it was going to go, and they said it was legal, we could do it,” Harbaugh said. “We talked to the officials before the game. They called the league office again. They had been in contact with the league office, the officiating office, and they said it was legal. Probably, the competition committee decided they didn’t want to see it, someone on the competition committee — probably the chairman [Atlanta Falcons president Rich McKay] — decided with [senior vice president of officiating] Alberto [Riveron] he didn’t want to see it. So now, it’s not legal. So, that’s pretty much how it works and how it worked in this case.”
That’s not how it should work: The rules should be clear to every team, and the message from the officiating office shouldn’t change during the season. In this case, the rules have been clarified now, but the league says the Ravens got away with a kick that should have been penalized, while the Ravens say the league has changed its story.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...fs-cleared-it/

scho63 · 10-11-2019, 10:50 AM

Hardman called a fair catch so he was NOT supposed to be touched or hit by anyone.

Ecto-I · 10-11-2019, 10:52 AM

I think that the NFL should make the onside kick EASIER. It would make the game so much more exciting! What if the kicking team recovered 33% of onside kicks were recovered by the kicking team? We'd see a lot more of them and the game would be a bit more unpredictable....and we'd probably have a better chance of winning if we attempted one every time :

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Mecca · 10-11-2019, 10:52 AM

It's illegal for this reason....

Drop Kick “Sky/Onside Kick” from Oregon State pic.twitter.com/0Ss5VRBaCN
— Coach Dan Casey (@CoachDanCasey) October 6, 2019

By skying the kick he basically makes it an old onside kick where they can run and collide before the ball lands...NFL does not want it at all.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-11-2019, 10:54 AM

I'm more wondering why the first kick attempt wasn't illegal. He touched the ball with his foot. You shouldn't be allowed to do that twice.

Mecca · 10-11-2019, 10:56 AM

Also this high school team is better at onside kicking than NFL teams are.

**Rain Man** · 10-11-2019, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by eDave

It sure didn't look legal.

Especially when he tried it twice.

**New World Order** · 10-11-2019, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's illegal for this reason....

Drop Kick “Sky/Onside Kick” from Oregon State pic.twitter.com/0Ss5VRBaCN
— Coach Dan Casey (@CoachDanCasey) October 6, 2019

By skying the kick he basically makes it an old onside kick where they can run and collide before the ball lands...NFL does not want it at all.

Surprised Ravens just didn't do that every time then.

**Rain Man** · 10-11-2019, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ecto-I

I think that the NFL should make the onside kick EASIER. It would make the game so much more exciting! What if the kicking team recovered 33% of onside kicks were recovered by the kicking team? We'd see a lot more of them and the game would be a bit more unpredictable....and we'd probably have a better chance of winning if we attempted one every time :

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I've thought this as well. It's a very unique play that has a lot of repercussions for both teams. There's no other play in football where you intentionally create a live ball that's in nobody's immediate possession.

Mecca · 10-11-2019, 11:00 AM

The new rules make recovering one impossible......just give the team the ball 4th and 15.

**Rain Man** · 10-11-2019, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

Surprised Ravens just didn't do that every time then.

I may simply not have the physics right, but when you look at the range of modern kickers, I've wondered why they don't kick the ball as high as possible with the goal of landing it around the 20 or 25. It seems like the kicking team could get down there to cover it or create havoc with a live ball situation, and a touchback would bring it to the 25 anyway.

Mecca · 10-11-2019, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I may simply not have the physics right, but when you look at the range of modern kickers, I've wondered why they don't kick the ball as high as possible with the goal of landing it around the 20 or 25. It seems like the kicking team could get down there to cover it or create havoc with a live ball situation, and a touchback would bring it to the 25 anyway.

Probably the fair catch thing....which personally I think they should get rid of a fair catch for a kickoff if they are going to leave this onside rules.

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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3784454	NFL bans the Ravens drop kick used against Chiefs https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/...just-one-time/ — After having Justin Tucker experiment with a new type of kickoff earlier this year, the Ravens won’t be allowed to utilize their new kick anymore, and that’s because it has now been deemed illegal by the NFL. Ravens coach John Harbaugh raised some eyebrows back in Week 3 when he sent Tucker out in a clear onside kick situation during Baltimore’s game against Kansas City. With 2:01 left to play, and the Ravens trailing 33-28, the Chiefs thought an onside kick was coming, but instead, Tucker hit them with a surprise dropkick. It was a smart strategy, but you won’t be seeing it ever again, and that’s because the NFL has banned it. In a recent interview, Harbaugh explained that the league office let him know that the Ravens will no longer be allowed to use the kick, even though the team had been cleared to use it against the Chiefs. “We talked to [the league office], we explained exactly what we were doing and how it was going to go, and they said it was legal, we could do it,” Harbaugh said, via the Ravens’ Twitter account. “We talked to the officials before the game. They called the league office, again. They had been in contact with the league office, the officiating office, and they said it was legal.”
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-King- ▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓▓ Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $2255743	The kick itself is still legal. How ticket did was illegal. He's not supposed to let the ball bounce two feet off the ground before he kicks it. It's supposed to be almost immediately after it touches the ground.
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10-11-2019, 10:48 AM	#4
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3784454	The NFL says the drop kick the Ravens used late in their loss to the Chiefs two weeks ago was illegal. Ravens head coach John Harbaugh says he was specifically told otherwise. The kick, which wasn’t flagged, was a late kickoff attempt on which Justin Tucker bounced the ball off the ground and then kicked it high, like a punt. The Chiefs fair caught it, which was advantageous to the Ravens because a fair catch doesn’t take any time off the clock, and the Ravens were trying to force the Chiefs to run an offensive play before the two-minute warning. However, the NFL confirmed this week that the kick was illegal. “By definition, a drop kick is a kick by a player who drops the ball and kicks it as, or immediately after, it touches the ground. If that does not happen, the play should be shut down and a flag thrown for a false start,” the league office said in a statement emailed to PFT. Harbaugh, however, says the Ravens contacted the league as they were drawing up that play to make sure it was legal, and he was told that it was. “We were in contact with the league officiating office all the way through,” Harbaugh said, via the Baltimore Sun. “We didn’t just pull it out and decide to try it and sneak it past them.” Harbaugh accused the league of changing the rule after the fact. “We explained exactly what we were doing and how it was going to go, and they said it was legal, we could do it,” Harbaugh said. “We talked to the officials before the game. They called the league office again. They had been in contact with the league office, the officiating office, and they said it was legal. Probably, the competition committee decided they didn’t want to see it, someone on the competition committee — probably the chairman [Atlanta Falcons president Rich McKay] — decided with [senior vice president of officiating] Alberto [Riveron] he didn’t want to see it. So now, it’s not legal. So, that’s pretty much how it works and how it worked in this case.” That’s not how it should work: The rules should be clear to every team, and the message from the officiating office shouldn’t change during the season. In this case, the rules have been clarified now, but the league says the Ravens got away with a kick that should have been penalized, while the Ravens say the league has changed its story. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...fs-cleared-it/ __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Ecto-I The only way to Travel. Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: In the car Casino cash: $5163602	I think that the NFL should make the onside kick EASIER. It would make the game so much more exciting! What if the kicking team recovered 33% of onside kicks were recovered by the kicking team? We'd see a lot more of them and the game would be a bit more unpredictable....and we'd probably have a better chance of winning if we attempted one every time ::
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2387050	It's illegal for this reason.... Drop Kick “Sky/Onside Kick” from Oregon State pic.twitter.com/0Ss5VRBaCN — Coach Dan Casey (@CoachDanCasey) October 6, 2019 By skying the kick he basically makes it an old onside kick where they can run and collide before the ball lands...NFL does not want it at all.
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10-11-2019, 10:54 AM	#8
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $1874497	I'm more wondering why the first kick attempt wasn't illegal. He touched the ball with his foot. You shouldn't be allowed to do that twice.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2387050	Also this high school team is better at onside kicking than NFL teams are.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2387050	The new rules make recovering one impossible......just give the team the ball 4th and 15.
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