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Old 06-10-2013, 08:37 PM   #226
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Holland is better than Soria ever was IMO
He's damn good, but if you look at what Soria did in 2008 and 2010, it's pretty unbelievable.

Soria's 2008, he put up a 270 ERA+. He wasn't quite the strikeout artist Holland is, but he had a couple of seasons that were even more dominant.
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:38 PM   #227
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Holland is better than Soria ever was IMO
There was a period of about 2 years where I was surprised when Soria allowed a base runner. Holland is a great closer, but he's had his moments of inconsistency with his command this season.
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:38 PM   #228
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:44 PM   #229
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14 IP | 18 K | 1 ER | 0.64 ERA | 0.79 WHIP | 7/8 Save Opps.

His performance this year is on par with Joakim Soria in his prime. I just don't understand why more don't appreciate that.
Nearly 30 years of shitty baseball will do that to you.
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:45 PM   #230
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Okay, the Royals gotta be third on that list.
Last year KC had 131 HRs, which was 26th out of 30 teams. We're tied for last with the Marlins this year, on pace for about 81 HRs total. It's especially pathetic being behind all the NL teams, considering we have the advantage of a DH over a pitcher.
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He's damn good, but if you look at what Soria did in 2008 and 2010, it's pretty unbelievable.

Soria's 2008, he put up a 270 ERA+. He wasn't quite the strikeout artist Holland is, but he had a couple of seasons that were even more dominant.
If the Royals catch fire and Holland gets enough attempts...I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see him match Soria's 1.60 career best ERA.
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Holland doesn't have the nasty that Soria had. Doesn't mean he isn't or won't be good. Just not the same.
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I have never seen a pitch as filthy as Soria's hook. NEVER. That thing was tighter... well I'll skip the crude analogy this time. It was tight.
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Holland has nasty stuff. I don't know why fans underestimate him. He struck out over 90 guys last year. I don't think Soria ever did that. He has 35 K in 23 IP this year... if he gets enough chances he might make a run at 100.
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If the Royals catch fire and Holland gets enough attempts...I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see him match Soria's 1.60 career best ERA.
If he doesn't have another rough patch... yes, very reachable.
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Holland doesn't have the nasty that Soria had. Doesn't mean he isn't or won't be good. Just not the same.
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a month ago you wanted to demote him
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I always thought Soria should have been a starting pitcher.

For my closer? I'm taking the K guy every single time.
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