'kay, so... If we sign Sanders...

Dante84 · 03-14-2014, 10:19 PM

... and we STILL go WR in the first, who's the most complementary, assuming Bowe and Sanders are starting?
- Beckham?
- Lee?
- Cooks?
- Evans?

We will have:
- Bowe
- Sanders
- Avery (might get cut)
- Hemmingway (or he might get cut)
- Jenkins (likely stays)
- Dressler (may not even make the team)

Direckshun · 03-14-2014, 10:24 PM

Dressler's just a guy. I agree Jenkins stays.

Avery probably stays as well for a year. He costs money to cut this year, and only saves $1m. Next year he's cuttable.

I think if we bring on Sanders.... I don't know. I think WR is no longer a 1st round consideration. I think OLB and secondary jump to the top of the list, with guard as a dark horse.

Saccopoo · 03-14-2014, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Dressler's just a guy. I agree Jenkins stays.

Avery probably stays as well for a year. He costs money to cut this year, and only saves $1m. Next year he's cuttable.

I think if we bring on Sanders.... I don't know. I think WR is no longer a 1st round consideration. I think OLB and secondary jump to the top of the list, with guard as a dark horse.

Offensive line.

No doubt in my mind that if we sign Sanders that offensive line is the top priority.

Unless Dennard is still on the board, which I highly doubt.

With both Schwartz and Asamoah gone and Allen still very much in question in terms of his on-the-field performance, there is a massive, glaring hole at the OG position.

If Zach Martin is still on the board, I would think he's a damn near automatic lock. And they'll probably go back to that well again later in the draft.

However, to answer the OP:

At this point, I don't see them getting any of the guys you listed. I think that there is going to be a run on WR's. Lee might be the only guy from your list available, but that's a big maybe.

However, I think that Matthews or Moncrief will be available. I personally think that Moncrief would provide something that we currently don't have on the team at that position, but Matthews is a very nice prospect as well.

Dante84 · 03-14-2014, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Dressler's just a guy. I agree Jenkins stays.

Avery probably stays as well for a year. He costs money to cut this year, and only saves $1m. Next year he's cuttable.

I think if we bring on Sanders.... I don't know. I think WR is no longer a 1st round consideration. I think OLB and secondary jump to the top of the list, with guard as a dark horse.

For this exercise, I'm more asking, based on the skill set we already have on the roster, which WR draft prospect has the best skill set to compete?

I'm under the assumption that Sanders is the burner, and Bowe is the big possession guy. So does that mean the hole is at slot?

If its slot, does that mean Cooks is best? Or, as some might have you believe, we need to groom Bowe's replacement, should we go BPA WR - if so, who is he?

OldSchool · 03-14-2014, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84

For this exercise, I'm more asking, based on the skill set we already have on the roster, which WR draft prospect has the best skill set to compete?

I'm under the assumption that Sanders is the burner, and Bowe is the big possession guy. So does that mean the hole is at slot?

If its slot, does that mean Cooks is best? Or, as some might have you believe, we need to groom Bowe's replacement, should we go BPA WR - if so, who is he?

I would say that Sanders is the slot guy. You go draft a potential #1 if you take receiver in the 1st after signing Sanders. Only one I see that might be available is between Benjamin, who I think will bust, and Matthews, who has an incredible work ethic and drive as well as great raw tools to work with.

I would go with Matthews because he has the potential to replace Bowe and really reminds me of Keenan Allen when he was at Cal.

**Bowser** · 03-14-2014, 10:25 PM

Whichever one of those guys is the burner. If the plan is receiver no matter what, I'd say they would look at the fastest guy available ranked that high. A speed guy to take the top off for Bowe, Sanders, Kelce, and Charles to work underneath.

Direckshun · 03-14-2014, 10:52 PM

Sac, you are high off your goddamn rocker if you think we're going guard in the 1st. I will admit it's a possibility, but only an outside possibility.

That would honestly mean we're trotting out the highest-invested OL in the league, draft pick wise. I'm not even sure it would be close: 1st rounders at LT and RG, 2nd rounders at LG and C, and a 3rd rounder at RT. God.

OldSchool · 03-14-2014, 10:59 PM

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Sac, you are high off your goddamn rocker if you think we're going guard in the 1st. I will admit it's a possibility, but only an outside possibility.

That would honestly mean we're trotting out the highest-invested OL in the league, draft pick wise. I'm not even sure it would be close: 1st rounders at LT and RG, 2nd rounders at LG and C, and a 3rd rounder at RT. God.

They would draft Martin that high due to his versatility. He's not just a potential probowl level guard, he's also a solid prospect at OT. They'll love that potential and take him as insurance for both Fisher and Stephenson.

Saccopoo · 03-14-2014, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Sac, you are high off your goddamn rocker if you think we're going guard in the 1st. I will admit it's a possibility, but only an outside possibility.

That would honestly mean we're trotting out the highest-invested OL in the league, draft pick wise. I'm not even sure it would be close: 1st rounders at LT and RG, 2nd rounders at LG and C, and a 3rd rounder at RT. God.

I'm just looking at this realistically.

There is no way, no how that the OG and even OT position doesn't get addressed in this draft.

And they will go at it early considering that both Schwartz and Asamoah are gone and only replaced by Linkenbach and they aren't looking at anybody else on the OL in free agency.

That tells me that they are going after the OL early. And you can't tell me that a guy like Zach Martin wouldn't give both Dorsey and Reid the warm fuzzies if he were sitting there at 23. (I don't think he is going to be, unless the WR run happens and he drops.)

Sanders is young and is a proven commodity. That would kill the WR at 23 for the Chiefs. Dinosaur/disco level dead. And seeing as they signed Walker, so is the DL. Dennard will not fall to the Chiefs. Not a chance.

That leaves OLB, S, and OL.

And OL is the biggest need/hole at that point. Now, I think that Zach Martin is a Zane Beadles clone and you would be getting a top level guard, but I really don't think he gets past Miami, who still has a serious need at guard (and even RT).

If I would hazard a guess, the following players will be looked at really hard by the Chiefs at the #23 spot - if they sign Sanders in FA:

Xavier S'ua-Filo (really projects extremely well into Reid's offense)
Kyle Van Noy (his amazing versatility will allow him to lineup either inside or outside in the 34)
Dee Ford (pure ROLB to groom to replace Hali)
Kyle Fuller (depends on how they feel about Cooper's development and long term potential)

Now, if they don't sign Sanders in FA, they will pick between whoever is left from Beckham, Cooks and Lee, or possibly Moncrief, Benjamin, Allen Robinson or Jordan Matthews if those three are off the board.

Direckshun · 03-14-2014, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I'm just looking at this realistically.

There is no way, no how that the OG and even OT position doesn't get addressed in this draft.

And they will go at it early considering that both Schwartz and Asamoah are gone and only replaced by Linkenbach and they aren't looking at anybody else on the OL in free agency.

That tells me that they are going after the OL early. And you can't tell me that a guy like Zach Martin wouldn't give both Dorsey and Reid the warm fuzzies if he were sitting there at 23. (I don't think he is going to be, unless the WR run happens and he drops.)

Sanders is young and is a proven commodity. That would kill the WR at 23 for the Chiefs. Dinosaur/disco level dead. And seeing as they signed Walker, so is the DL. Dennard will not fall to the Chiefs. Not a chance.

That leaves OLB, S, and OL.

And OL is the biggest need/hole at that point. Now, I think that Zach Martin is a Zane Beadles clone and you would be getting a top level guard, but I really don't think he gets past Miami, who still has a serious need at guard (and even RT).

If I would hazard a guess, the following players will be looked at really hard by the Chiefs at the #23 spot - if they sign Sanders in FA:

Xavier S'ua-Filo (really projects extremely well into Reid's offense)
Kyle Van Noy (his amazing versatility will allow him to lineup either inside or outside in the 34)
Dee Ford (pure ROLB to groom to replace Hali)
Kyle Fuller (depends on how they feel about Cooper's development and long term potential)

Now, if they don't sign Sanders in FA, they will pick between whoever is left from Beckham, Cooks and Lee, or possibly Moncrief, Benjamin, Allen Robinson or Jordan Matthews if those three are off the board.

Sensible. Good post.

RunKC · 03-15-2014, 12:05 AM

We need to bring in a quality G of some kind some way. Look at the ****ing DL's we play this year. Damn.

This OL is going to be put to the test this year against the NFC West. But then again I wouldn't mind a David Yankee, Xavier S'ua-Filo or Zach Martin if they come in and become instant quality starters.

This OL worries me.

Direckshun · 03-14-2014, 11:03 PM

Well Bowe gives us the possession guy (Matthews, Evans, & Benjamin). Avery and Sanders gives us deeper routes with sharp route running (Cooks). Jenkins gives you the super athletic slasher (Beckham).

Honestly, we'd probably convert Avery to the slot, but this team would really only be lacking one of those pint-size X factors. Cooks comes the closest to that, but he's more of a straightforward route-runner. Beckham is better than Jenkins, but they're both basically the same player.

Direckshun · 03-14-2014, 11:05 PM

Honestly, if we land Sanders, we'd be smarter to go with Josh Huff, Jalen Saunders, or Tevin Reese later in the draft. At least then we're not drafting a WR whose talents are duplicating another player on our roster.

OldSchool · 03-14-2014, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Honestly, if we land Sanders, we'd be smarter to go with Josh Huff, Jalen Saunders, or Tevin Reese later in the draft. At least then we're not drafting a WR whose talents are duplicating another player on our roster.

Yeah, but the thing for me is that both Avery and Bowe are heading into their 30s. We need to find a true replacement for Bowe soon.

Sanders isn't all that young either.

This is a great draft to find a future #1. I'm not sure one will really be available in the 3rd; there are a bunch of slot guys and some possession guys but it'll be really hard to find a future #1 at that point.

I would consider taking Matthews in the first if Lee, Beckham, and Evans are gone.

Direckshun · 03-14-2014, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Yeah, but the thing for me is that both Avery and Bowe are heading into their 30s. We need to find a true replacement for Bowe soon.

Sanders isn't all that young either.

This is a great draft to find a future #1. I'm not sure one will really be available in the 3rd; there are a bunch of slot guys and some possession guys but it'll be really hard to find a future #1 at that point.

I would consider taking Matthews in the first if Lee, Beckham, and Evans are gone.

Bowe isn't going anywhere, he's at his peak and he'll still play well on his decline. Sanders is plenty young. He'll be under 30 for his entire contract with us.

I'm never opposed to finding another elite WR, however.

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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4393447	Well Bowe gives us the possession guy (Matthews, Evans, & Benjamin). Avery and Sanders gives us deeper routes with sharp route running (Cooks). Jenkins gives you the super athletic slasher (Beckham). Honestly, we'd probably convert Avery to the slot, but this team would really only be lacking one of those pint-size X factors. Cooks comes the closest to that, but he's more of a straightforward route-runner. Beckham is better than Jenkins, but they're both basically the same player.
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4393447	Dressler's just a guy. I agree Jenkins stays. Avery probably stays as well for a year. He costs money to cut this year, and only saves $1m. Next year he's cuttable. I think if we bring on Sanders.... I don't know. I think WR is no longer a 1st round consideration. I think OLB and secondary jump to the top of the list, with guard as a dark horse.
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4393447	Honestly, if we land Sanders, we'd be smarter to go with Josh Huff, Jalen Saunders, or Tevin Reese later in the draft. At least then we're not drafting a WR whose talents are duplicating another player on our roster.
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