GrrrrrrBackers and Bashers.....

47mack · 12-10-2000, 02:39 PM

Lets hear you comments!!

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TWB

DaWolf · 12-10-2000, 02:53 PM

We won...

12-10-2000, 03:24 PM

Elvis looked good today, with the exception of that 1st INT. I swear the Carolina guy was so open, I thought WE had scored, then saw the red jersies. The other bounced off DAs helmet, so won't condemn him there. Other than that, and with TR running, the offense was great, without the turnovers. Overall I would grade him about a B.

DaWolf · 12-10-2000, 03:39 PM

And he ran the ball 5 times... :)

ck_IN · 12-10-2000, 04:54 PM

It'll be interesting to see how the Grbitchers spin this one. At various times in the last two weeks I heard:

1. Elvis never runs for first downs
2. He puts up good numbers but only wins count.
3. He's selfish. He never congratulates his receivers after a TD catch.

Ok, today we had EG scrambling for first downs, including that 20yrd run. His numbers were decent [b]and[/b] we got the win. He was the first to congratulate Gonzo after the ricochet TD catch.

I wonder what their newest EG related whine will be?

Raiderhater · 12-10-2000, 08:37 PM

I have been reluctant to get in these discussions,but since all the other Grbashers seem to be afraid, I guess I will step in. I know that he is a good passer, but as I have said before I give alot of credit to our receiving corps. Again, that is not to take away from his arm. But my problems with him come from the D-U-M dumb mistakes he makes. Yes I know that every one makes those mistakes, but he seems to make them on a regular basis. As for the running, yes he had a great run today. I was impressed. I didn't know he could do that. I am sure he surprised alot of people. But there was a run before that, when he slid after a 2 yard pick up. He could have stayed up longer, but didn't. And don't tell me about how he was surrounded. He had how many guys hot on his tail on that big run? My point is, if he can run so well, why doesn't he give it his all every time he takes off? I mean we need a leader out there who will say, I'm going to cary this team to a victory myself if I have to. And then actually go out and attempt to do it. We had been on 5 game losing streak, he should have been doing stuff like this along. Willing his team to win. Giving it 110% all the time. While he has improved, I still don't want him on my team. I decided I wanted him gone 2 years ago after the Monday night loss (to I think Pitt) and he came out and started pointing fingers at his teammates. It is not just because of his play. To me loyalty is a very big thing, and he showed none that night. Alright start picking me apart, and mutalating me.

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WILDCATS 29
corn balls 28

DaWolf · 12-10-2000, 09:35 PM

How they'll spin it? LOL, just go to the other board and see how they're spinning it. Now he's just lucky and he doesn't throw any passes on the money and he has no heart.

Of course when I point out that he completed 70% of his passes today and a couple of TD's were dropped, one guy told me that it isn't the reciever's job to catch the ball, it is Grbac's job to get it to them so they can make easier catches, and another guy saying I loved to make excuses...

Chiefnj · 12-10-2000, 10:02 PM

Ck,

Whether you admit it or not, Elvis has not run the ball effectively in the past and was unwilling to take a hit to get a first down. Similarly, this was one of the first times he ran to the endzone to congratulate a receiver on a TD pass. Are they steps in the right direction? Yes, and good for him. Thank God he is finally coming around, it has only taken him 8 1/2 years.

Elvis has shown a lot this past week beginning with accepting the fact that he choked big time in New England. Hopefully he will continue to grow. I'd like to see him do what Whitlock suggests in today's article and demand that Carl obtain a top notch HB prior to renegotiating his contract.

DaWolf · 12-11-2000, 12:24 AM

What I don't understand is this knock about congradulating his recievers. He always has gone to the end zone and done that. Hell I even watched an old Michigan/Notre Dame game on ESPN Classic and he was running to the end zone congradulating Desmond Howard...

CASHMAN · 12-11-2000, 12:37 AM

ELVIS is allways trying to make things happen hell sometimes he throws into double coverage or over and under throws the ball but he is all heart and is trying to get the ball to the great recivers we have. and completes 70% of his passes and is ranked #2 in the NFL in passing not bad? and should be named as a backup in the prowbowl?? he is just 1 man and is trying to make things happen when and if he can.

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Dont just say it, BRINGGGGG ITTTTTTT!!!!!!!!

Idaho Chief · 12-11-2000, 07:33 AM

I just wonder about the Grbashers. They seem to want him to be perfect. Never make a bad decision. Never miss a throw. Never throw the ball too hard or too soft. Never to high or to low.

I wonder....do they critic there own job performance so harshly? Do they hold themselves to the same standard? How glad are they that their Managers aren't as critical about their job performance?

I'm thinking that their standards are just a bit lower...no one is perfect. [img]http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img]

WisChief · 12-11-2000, 08:00 AM

Do Grbashers really want Elvis to win and do well? I think not. Do they want to Chiefs to win and do well? I think so. Most people that have been ripping Elvis a new one have been doing it so long that their pride no longer will allow them to change their stance. You should hear my mother whine about him. There is not a Basher on either board that hates this guy like she does :D. Explain and show to her that he is not the problem and it goes on deaf ears, just like all bashers.

I only wish that this could be put to rest because Elvis Grbac is not a problem with this team that we need to discuss.

ck_IN · 12-11-2000, 08:18 AM

Like dawolf I don't understand the big deal about running into the endzone to congratulate a TD. This isn't Pop Warner. These guys have scored TD's before. FWIW I have seen him numerous times run to the endzone to congratulate a catch. I've also seen him wait till he and the receiver get to the sideline. What's the difference?

As for his running, personally I don't like my QB's running around too much. LB's and safeties LOVE to get a clean shot on a QB. If you're slow to begin with and your backups are as bad as ours, then throw the ball away and leave the scrambling to McNabb and Gannon.

58Forever · 12-11-2000, 11:20 AM

He was also quick to console Gonzo after he dropped the TD pass later...he has become our leader...like it or not...I like it...he's the best QB we have and I don't see any better that we could get even if we wanted too...

DanT · 12-11-2000, 11:47 AM

ck_IN's reply #4 is right on the money. If Grbashers has been asked before the season started to list their standards for a good QB, Elvis would have met almost all of the reasonable ones. The Grbashers just keep coming up with vaguer and vaguer standards to apply to Grbac. Not congratulating the receivers? Please.

Also, since when did the Chiefs have such an outstanding receiving corps? Before the season started, everyone thought that Gonzo was great and I personally thought that Alexander and Lockett were a good #2/#3 combo, but I sure as hell don't remember anybody on this board or in the national press talking about how great our receiving corps was. Discounting Grbac's success by pointing to the quality of our receivers is bogus, in my mind, because (i) our receiving corps wasn't touted until after the season started and (ii) there can not be many other receiver corps that have dropped more sure TD passes this year than ours has.

12-10-2000, 04:54 PM	#5
ck_IN Feels so good. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	It'll be interesting to see how the Grbitchers spin this one. At various times in the last two weeks I heard: 1. Elvis never runs for first downs 2. He puts up good numbers but only wins count. 3. He's selfish. He never congratulates his receivers after a TD catch. Ok, today we had EG scrambling for first downs, including that 20yrd run. His numbers were decent [b]and[/b] we got the win. He was the first to congratulate Gonzo after the ricochet TD catch. I wonder what their newest EG related whine will be?
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12-10-2000, 08:37 PM	#6
Raiderhater **** the Raiders Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: A Webb of chaos Casino cash: $2182021	I have been reluctant to get in these discussions,but since all the other Grbashers seem to be afraid, I guess I will step in. I know that he is a good passer, but as I have said before I give alot of credit to our receiving corps. Again, that is not to take away from his arm. But my problems with him come from the D-U-M dumb mistakes he makes. Yes I know that every one makes those mistakes, but he seems to make them on a regular basis. As for the running, yes he had a great run today. I was impressed. I didn't know he could do that. I am sure he surprised alot of people. But there was a run before that, when he slid after a 2 yard pick up. He could have stayed up longer, but didn't. And don't tell me about how he was surrounded. He had how many guys hot on his tail on that big run? My point is, if he can run so well, why doesn't he give it his all every time he takes off? I mean we need a leader out there who will say, I'm going to cary this team to a victory myself if I have to. And then actually go out and attempt to do it. We had been on 5 game losing streak, he should have been doing stuff like this along. Willing his team to win. Giving it 110% all the time. While he has improved, I still don't want him on my team. I decided I wanted him gone 2 years ago after the Monday night loss (to I think Pitt) and he came out and started pointing fingers at his teammates. It is not just because of his play. To me loyalty is a very big thing, and he showed none that night. Alright start picking me apart, and mutalating me. ------------------ WILDCATS 29 corn balls 28
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12-10-2000, 09:35 PM	#7
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	How they'll spin it? LOL, just go to the other board and see how they're spinning it. Now he's just lucky and he doesn't throw any passes on the money and he has no heart. Of course when I point out that he completed 70% of his passes today and a couple of TD's were dropped, one guy told me that it isn't the reciever's job to catch the ball, it is Grbac's job to get it to them so they can make easier catches, and another guy saying I loved to make excuses...
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12-10-2000, 10:02 PM	#8
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	Ck, Whether you admit it or not, Elvis has not run the ball effectively in the past and was unwilling to take a hit to get a first down. Similarly, this was one of the first times he ran to the endzone to congratulate a receiver on a TD pass. Are they steps in the right direction? Yes, and good for him. Thank God he is finally coming around, it has only taken him 8 1/2 years. Elvis has shown a lot this past week beginning with accepting the fact that he choked big time in New England. Hopefully he will continue to grow. I'd like to see him do what Whitlock suggests in today's article and demand that Carl obtain a top notch HB prior to renegotiating his contract.
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12-11-2000, 12:24 AM	#9
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	What I don't understand is this knock about congradulating his recievers. He always has gone to the end zone and done that. Hell I even watched an old Michigan/Notre Dame game on ESPN Classic and he was running to the end zone congradulating Desmond Howard...
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12-10-2000, 02:39 PM
47mack Lonestar Chief Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Sugarland, Texas (Houston) Casino cash: $10004900	Lets hear you comments!! ------------------ TWB
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12-10-2000, 02:53 PM	#2
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	We won...
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12-10-2000, 03:24 PM	#3
kcred Guest Casino cash: $	Elvis looked good today, with the exception of that 1st INT. I swear the Carolina guy was so open, I thought WE had scored, then saw the red jersies. The other bounced off DAs helmet, so won't condemn him there. Other than that, and with TR running, the offense was great, without the turnovers. Overall I would grade him about a B.
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12-10-2000, 03:39 PM	#4
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	And he ran the ball 5 times... :)
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12-11-2000, 12:37 AM	#10
CASHMAN ERNIE-New CHIEFS FAN!!!!!!! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: OVERLAND PARK KS. Casino cash: $10004900	ELVIS is allways trying to make things happen hell sometimes he throws into double coverage or over and under throws the ball but he is all heart and is trying to get the ball to the great recivers we have. and completes 70% of his passes and is ranked #2 in the NFL in passing not bad? and should be named as a backup in the prowbowl?? he is just 1 man and is trying to make things happen when and if he can. ------------------ Dont just say it, BRINGGGGG ITTTTTTT!!!!!!!!
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12-11-2000, 07:33 AM	#11
Idaho Chief Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Boise Idaho USA Casino cash: $10004900	I just wonder about the Grbashers. They seem to want him to be perfect. Never make a bad decision. Never miss a throw. Never throw the ball too hard or too soft. Never to high or to low. I wonder....do they critic there own job performance so harshly? Do they hold themselves to the same standard? How glad are they that their Managers aren't as critical about their job performance? I'm thinking that their standards are just a bit lower...no one is perfect. [img]http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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12-11-2000, 08:00 AM	#12
WisChief GO 'NOLES! Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $10005400	Do Grbashers really want Elvis to win and do well? I think not. Do they want to Chiefs to win and do well? I think so. Most people that have been ripping Elvis a new one have been doing it so long that their pride no longer will allow them to change their stance. You should hear my mother whine about him. There is not a Basher on either board that hates this guy like she does :D. Explain and show to her that he is not the problem and it goes on deaf ears, just like all bashers. I only wish that this could be put to rest because Elvis Grbac is not a problem with this team that we need to discuss.
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12-11-2000, 08:18 AM	#13
ck_IN Feels so good. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Like dawolf I don't understand the big deal about running into the endzone to congratulate a TD. This isn't Pop Warner. These guys have scored TD's before. FWIW I have seen him numerous times run to the endzone to congratulate a catch. I've also seen him wait till he and the receiver get to the sideline. What's the difference? As for his running, personally I don't like my QB's running around too much. LB's and safeties LOVE to get a clean shot on a QB. If you're slow to begin with and your backups are as bad as ours, then throw the ball away and leave the scrambling to McNabb and Gannon.
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12-11-2000, 11:20 AM	#14
58Forever It's dejavu all over again! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: at home in my own chair Casino cash: $10004900	He was also quick to console Gonzo after he dropped the TD pass later...he has become our leader...like it or not...I like it...he's the best QB we have and I don't see any better that we could get even if we wanted too...
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12-11-2000, 11:47 AM	#15
DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $4521711	ck_IN's reply #4 is right on the money. If Grbashers has been asked before the season started to list their standards for a good QB, Elvis would have met almost all of the reasonable ones. The Grbashers just keep coming up with vaguer and vaguer standards to apply to Grbac. Not congratulating the receivers? Please. Also, since when did the Chiefs have such an outstanding receiving corps? Before the season started, everyone thought that Gonzo was great and I personally thought that Alexander and Lockett were a good #2/#3 combo, but I sure as hell don't remember anybody on this board or in the national press talking about how great our receiving corps was. Discounting Grbac's success by pointing to the quality of our receivers is bogus, in my mind, because (i) our receiving corps wasn't touted until after the season started and (ii) there can not be many other receiver corps that have dropped more sure TD passes this year than ours has.
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