Chiefs Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck. - Page 701

Messier · 12-16-2013, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

We're talking about a franchise that's drafted one quarterback in the first 3 rounds in ~30 years and you think the problem is people think they grow on trees?

I think the flip side to what you said is the "well, there's no Andrew Luck in this year's draft" from "the rest of us."

The truth of the matter is, as usual, somewhere in the middle... it's undeniable that the franchise has made very little effort to develop a quarterback and that overall, they seem pretty content with stop gap QBs who can rise to mediocrity, as opposed to taking a QB who's pretty much guaranteed to struggle for a year or three. It's been low risk/low reward for decades, and they've gotten what they've put into it.

It's not as simple as a trip to QBMart, and it's not as simple as waiting for the next Peyton Manning.... but, it is as simple as trying. They've had the same strategy for FORTY YEARS... and I don't think fans are asking too much if they tried once every few decades to do something different.

Who has had the same strategy? Because Dorsey and Reid have nothing to do with Peterson or any other GM that didn't draft a QB in the first round. Just because its been a long time doesn't mean you just do it because it's been long enough. A new coach targeted who he wanted, and it wasn't any rookie, and as of right now I say, well done Dorsey and Reid.

ChiefsCountry · 12-16-2013, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

"Some people are just happy with a bunch of regular season wins"

Here is a question I would like to ask again.

At the beginning of the season there were a bunch if numb nuts saying we could have gotten a QB just as good as Smith for far less.
And that we didn't get the best QB available.

You people still believe that?

And if so, Who?

There really isn't that much difference between all of them.

BWillie · 12-16-2013, 07:46 PM

After Alex's 5 TD game, he went from 22nd last week in QB Rating to #10 this week. IN ONE WEEK. No moar Alex Smiff!

**BossChief** · 12-16-2013, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

I have no clue on what people have bet but I will weigh in on one thing that has bugged me for awhile. The "leave for x amount of time" bets are dumb.

New policy:

They will NEVER be enforced by me or the other mods. On the other hand, I have no problem enforcing sig bets and all other manner of punishments for people running their mouth and being wrong.

Interesting.

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Originally Posted by -King-

I just hate how some people on this forum talk about how high their standards are compared to everybody elses.

Some are more fed up than others.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Do they have to do so immediately? Can they go get a competent starting QB and run with that guy for a bit? Maybe win a few games and keep banners from circling the stadium in the process?

The only constant in the period you're mentioning was Lamar Hunt. He's gone now. Clark made a mistake in his first set of hires. In his last set he brought in guys that absolutely share the preferred position that we should attempt to bring in and develop our own guy.

Andy Reid and a Ron Wolf disciple - you'll be hard pressed to find stronger proponents of a 'draft/develop the QB' school.

So maybe we should trust that they share your belief (and mine, as well as many others that like the Smith acquisition) but that they simply didn't see a player worth making that attempt this year.

Seem fair?

I think the early results for this regime should at minimum buy them the benefit of the doubt in the future.

Most of their moves have been solid. It's just a shame that we lost so much to injury because I was pretty excited to see guys like Commings, Kelce and a couple others get out there and contribute.

After leaving training camp, one of the most exciting things I came away with was getting to watch Alex and Kelce build some rapport.

If he was able to stay healthy, he would be a difference maker right now.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2013, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JF08

This needs to be read out-loud by the haters every morning when they wake up.

For what purpose?

There are less than 10 regulars here - maybe less than 5 - that have the "Super Bowl or Bust" mentality that DJ described.

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-16-2013, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

After Alex's 5 TD game, he went from 22nd last week in QB Rating to #10 this week. IN ONE WEEK. No moar Alex Smiff!

Thanks Jamaal, you're getting a fruit basket and a gift certificate at an oriental massage parlor

**SAUTO** · 12-16-2013, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

For what purpose?

There are less than 10 regulars here - maybe less than 5 - that have the "Super Bowl or Bust" mentality that DJ described.

I just want to win a playoff game first...

ChiefsCountry · 12-16-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

After Alex's 5 TD game, he went from 22nd last week in QB Rating to #10 this week. IN ONE WEEK. No moar Alex Smiff!

Jumped 12 spots in one week. But stayed the same in the ESPN rating.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2013, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Why would you use the decision making process of people who you are obviously not like minded with to form your own opinions?
Makes no sense, and seems very childish.

I have no idea WTF you are trying to say here.

I have formed my own opinion - that it's not unfair to expect a QB who is good enough to win 11+ games win at least a playoff game.

I'm asking, "why the double standard?"

When Matt Ryan, as an example, loses a playoff game, no one gives a shit that he just happened to face Aaron Rodgers, who put up a ridiculously incredible performance against his defense.

The majority of what you hear is, "well, he lost. He's a loser."

Yet people want to put conditions on a potential Alex Smith playoff loss.

**Bearcat** · 12-16-2013, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Do they have to do so immediately? Can they go get a competent starting QB and run with that guy for a bit? Maybe win a few games and keep banners from circling the stadium in the process?

The only constant in the period you're mentioning was Lamar Hunt. He's gone now. Clark made a mistake in his first set of hires. In his last set he brought in guys that absolutely share the preferred position that we should attempt to bring in and develop our own guy.

Andy Reid and a Ron Wolf disciple - you'll be hard pressed to find stronger proponents of a 'draft/develop the QB' school.

So maybe we should trust that they share your belief (and mine, as well as many others that like the Smith acquisition) but that they simply didn't see a player worth making that attempt this year.

Seem fair?

Yeah, I know, and I wasn't really arguing about Smith or this season specifically, even though it certainly looked like a repeat of a few years ago. As far as your question on doing it immediately and using Smith as a stop gap, that's where the frustration lies... that's how it's always been. Win some games, shit crumbles, get a stop gap, repeat.

I've said all along that I liked the hires for the reason you pointed out, but even though we obviously can't blame them for past failures and even though they should only do what's best for the future and not simply draft a QB to make some fans happy, none of that erases the years of frustration, the fact that we've not only seen the stop gap strategy over and over, but have also felt the same optimism for it, and the feeling that we've seen all of this before just leaves me apathetic about the whole thing.

Yeah, I want to believe it's different THIS time and THIS regime really does know what they're doing and THIS draft was just the worst possible draft for QBs, etc.

Like I said, from the day they traded for Smith through the first several weeks of the season, I was pretty apathetic about the whole thing, but I realize Dorsey and Reid and company came into this season just as blind as we were, and evaluating an NFL team isn't accomplished in a week or even half a season. Like you said in another post, we're really damn fickle around here, even though single games just don't mean much. "Trust" is stretching it, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt (what other choice is there?) until at worst they make it abundantly clear we're on the same ride we've always been on.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2013, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I just want to win a playoff game first...

Same.

If anyone has been paying attention, I've backed off my criticism of Smith.

Coincidentally, that has occurred at the exact time he actually started playing like a Top 10 QB.

Shame on me for expecting a guy that we paid a premium for to continue that level of play in the playoffs.

**SAUTO** · 12-16-2013, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Same.

If anyone has been paying attention, I've backed off my criticism of Smith.

Coincidentally, that has occurred at the exact time he actually started playing like a Top 10 QB.

Shame on me for expecting a guy that we paid a premium for to continue that level of play in the playoffs.

SHAME ON YOU!!!

**Bearcat** · 12-16-2013, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Same.

If anyone has been paying attention, I've backed off my criticism of Smith.

Coincidentally, that has occurred at the exact time he actually started playing like a Top 10 QB.

Shame on me for expecting a guy that we paid a premium for to continue that level of play in the playoffs.

WEIRD

beach tribe · 12-16-2013, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I have no idea WTF you are trying to say here.

I have formed my own opinion - that it's not unfair to expect a QB who is good enough to win 11+ games win at least a playoff game.

I'm asking, "why the double standard?"

When Matt Ryan, as an example, loses a playoff game, no one gives a shit that he just happened to face Aaron Rodgers, who put up a ridiculously incredible performance against his defense.

The majority of what you hear is, "well, he lost. He's a loser."

Yet people want to put conditions on a potential Alex Smith playoff loss.

But you're saying that no matter how Smith plays if he loses to another good QB you are going to label him a loser?

beach tribe · 12-16-2013, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Same.

If anyone has been paying attention, I've backed off my criticism of Smith.

Coincidentally, that has occurred at the exact time he actually started playing like a Top 10 QB.

Shame on me for expecting a guy that we paid a premium for to continue that level of play in the playoffs.

FTR I expect him to win a PO game too

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