****Official 2013-14 Missouri Tiger Football Repository Thread****

['Hamas' Jenkins]

We have two things to look forward to this year:

1) The potential beginning of the Maty Mauk Era. Mauk represents the best chance for this program to get back to a level of respectability after horrendous QB play cost us multiple games last year.

2) The last year of the Gary Pinkel era. Pinkel's entrenched cronyism won't play in a conference this competitive, especially if he couples his abysmal gameday coaching with lackadaisical, worst-in-conference recruiting. Pinkel was the formerly adequate meal that has now turned into a four pound bowel obstruction. It's time to jam a Fleet's enema up our collective asses.

Here is the schedule. We dodge Alabama, LSU, and Arkansas in the west and the Non-con is decidedly weaker than years past.

8/31: Murray State
9/7: Toledo
9/21: @ Indiana
9/28: Arkansas State
10/5:@ Vanderbilt
10/12: @ Georgia
10/19:Florida
10/26: South Carolina
11/2:Tennessee
11/9: @ Kentucky
11/23: @ Ole Miss
11/30: aTm

Looks like 6-6. Undefeated in non-con, 2-6 in league play.

I will eventually update the OP with a list of high profile in-state recruits that decide to go elsewhere after a half-assed attempt to gain their services. The inevitable cavalcade of *** rejects, skeezers, skanks, and scalliwags we get will fill out the ranks.


Razors, cyanide capsules, and Jonestown Kool-Aid are available in the break room. Second door on the left.

Since every Mizzou thread eventually dies of AIDS, I recommend starting anti-retroviral therapy immediately. I believe Walgreens covers Express Scripts.


Premium In-State Players:

Roderick Johnson: **** OT, Florissant, MO.
Monte Harrison: **** WR, Lee's Summit, MO.
Jimmy Swain: **** LB, Lee's Summit, MO


Commitment List: From to and possibly

Spoiler!

Committed - Not Yet Signed

Name	Pos	Location	Ht	Wt	40	Rivals Rating
Paul Adams	OL	Nashville, TNChrist Presbyterian Academy	6'6"	270		5.5
Sam Bailey	OL	Lamar, MOLamar Jr/Sr R 1	6'5"	245		5.4
Andy Bauer	OL	St. Louis, MODeSmet	6'6"	304	5.2	5.9
Kendall Blanton	TE	Blue Springs, MOBlue Springs South	6'5"	225		5.4
Nate Brown	WR	Suwanee, GANorth Gwinnett	6'3"	215	4.5	5.7
Logan Cheadle	DB	Lee's Summit, MOLee's Summit West	5'10"	165		5.6
Kenya Dennis	DB	Raymond, MSHinds C.C.	6'0"	190		5.5
Michael Fairchild	OL	Overland Park, KSBlue Valley West	6'6"	262		5.4
Darnell Green-Beckham	WR	Springfield, MOHillcrest	6'5"	175		5.3
Zach Hudson	OL	Tampa, FLSickles	6'5"	280		5.5
Stepfawn Hughes	ATH	Fort Worth, TXDunbar	5'10"	170	4.6	5.5
Grant Jones	ATH	Columbia, MOHickman	6'3"	216		5.5
Lawrence Lee	WR	Pensacola, FLWest Florida Tech	5'10"	167	4.5	5.6
Rocel McWilliams	DE	Pensacola, FLWest Florida Tech	6'3"	240		5.5
Kevin Pendleton	OL	Lee's Summit, MOLee's Summit West	6'4"	329		5.5
Thomas Richard	WR	Nashville, TNChrist Presbyterian Academy	6'1"	185		5.4
Tavon Ross	ATH	Cochran, GABleckley County	6'1"	196		5.4
Finis Stribling IV	DB	Thompson's Station, TNIndependence	5'10"	170	4.5	5.4
Greg Taylor	DB	East St. Louis, ILEast St. Louis	5'10"	181		5.7
Trevon Walters	RB	Bradenton, FLManatee	5'10"	189		5.4
Jhonathon Williams	DE	Berrien Springs, MIBerrien Springs	6'6"	230	4.5	5.5
Thomas Wilson	ATH	Buford, GABuford	5'10"	176		5.5
Roderick Winters	LB	Arlington, TXBowie	5'11"	196	4.5	5.3
Ish Witter	RB	Tampa, FLAlonso	5'8"	190	4.6	5.5
Marvin Zanders	QB	Jacksonville, FLRaines	6'1"	175		5.5

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Yeah, he has recruited so many great skill position players.

Andy Reid has the same knocks on him about his gameday coaching, he doesn't call games the way I would, but he's winning games for now so... ?

If we lose to Alabama or whatever, we arent going to have a prooftext against Pinkel. They overmatch everyone.

Going into this year we all felt like being a strong SEC school year after year was going to take time. Even traditional powers like FL and GA have up and down years at this level of competition.

Pinkel has done enough to where he ought to be immune from a down year or two every so often. If we need to replace coordinators or personnel on one side of the ball we will do that.

I think Pinkel is going to be our coach until he leaves on his own terms one day, and that doesn't depress me.

He's certainly done enough this season to buy himself time. Can't deny that now, considering this team has accomplished more in the past couple of weeks than any other other did in the past 40 years. I mean, 2007 was great, but it's not like Kansas and Arkansas are Georgia and Florida, even dinged up Georgia and Florida.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Yeah, he has recruited so many great skill position players.

Andy Reid has the same knocks on him about his gameday coaching, he doesn't call games the way I would, but he's winning games for now so... ?

If we lose to Alabama or whatever, we arent going to have a prooftext against Pinkel. They overmatch everyone.

Going into this year we all felt like being a strong SEC school year after year was going to take time. Even traditional powers like FL and GA have up and down years at this level of competition.

Pinkel has done enough to where he ought to be immune from a down year or two every so often. If we need to replace coordinators or personnel on one side of the ball we will do that.

I think Pinkel is going to be our coach until he leaves on his own terms one day, and that doesn't depress me.

And Henson will be the in-house candidate to replace him, IMO.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

And Henson will be the in-house candidate to replace him, IMO.

This worries me. A huge part of the SEC advantage is the ability to out kick your coverage when it comes to landing a coach. If Arkansas can grab the three-time defending B1G champion coach, what can Mizzou land? I want to make coaches like Chip Kelly tell us no before promoting from within.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by frazod

He's certainly done enough this season to buy himself time. Can't deny that now, considering this team has accomplished more in the past couple of weeks than any other other did in the past 40 years. I mean, 2007 was great, but it's not like Kansas and Arkansas are Georgia and Florida, even dinged up Georgia and Florida.

But here's the question.....could it be that Pinkel is changing his coaching habits? There are some that still need to change, but it appears he is moving in the right direction. Each coach, even the legends, had things they eventually had to accept and change.

I want to hope that is happening with Pinkel....

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

But here's the question.....could it be that Pinkel is changing his coaching habits? There are some that still need to change, but it appears he is moving in the right direction. Each coach, even the legends, had things they eventually had to accept and change.

I want to hope that is happening with Pinkel....

I said if they won back-to-back games against ranked teams that I'd drink the Kool-aid, so I'm drinking the Kool-aid. I still think he was too conservative during the Florida game, and I think we got really lucky that Florida's idiot coach inexplicably went away from the run after they absolutely gashed us in that long third quarter drive. They have another scoring drive like that, and who knows what happens? But they didn't, so it doesn't matter.

This is the best Missouri team I've ever seen. I just hope they keep on rolling.

[warpaint*]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

This worries me. A huge part of the SEC advantage is the ability to out kick your coverage when it comes to landing a coach. If Arkansas can grab the three-time defending B1G champion coach, what can Mizzou land? I want to make coaches like Chip Kelly tell us no before promoting from within.

I like the way you think about this. Hopefully MU is not so minded to just promote an assnt w/o looking around.

[eazyb81]

And here...we....go!



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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

And here...we....go!



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Oh sweet Christ...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

But here's the question.....could it be that Pinkel is changing his coaching habits? There are some that still need to change, but it appears he is moving in the right direction. Each coach, even the legends, had things they eventually had to accept and change.

I want to hope that is happening with Pinkel....

Pinkel has 'changed his coaching habits' several times throughout his MU tenure.

He's a surprisingly innovative guy for being something of a crusty old football guy. He'd have been well ahead of the curve on social media in the SEC. He's become more and more of a player's coach as he's been around. He's changed from a defense first coach to an offensively minded guy that's changed offensive emphasis 2 or 3 times now.

He's not as stubborn in terms of his philosophy as so many paint him.

My problem with him has always been his loyalty to failed guys. Refusing to move on from Eberflus or Yost. Bringing in family and long-time friends for key coaching roles. Things like that breed a culture of complacency and I think that's why you see us lagging now in recruiting somewhat.

Pinkel's a smart football guy that's actually quite adept at changing with the times. I just get frustrated by watching us retain shitty guys or pass on good ones because he won't cut the cord.

As for some of the rest of the disingenuous horse-shit that's polluted the last couple of pages of this thread, if you were still gung-ho over Gary Pinkel heading into this season, you weren't paying attention. He was getting negative recruited to death over the DUI incident, his coaches were simply being outworked during the off-season and his attention to detail had slipped noticeably, as was evident by the fact that our players started to get into trouble more often.

Gary Pinkel absolutely earned his hot seat and it had very little to do with a down record last season. It was a bunch of stuff surrounding the program that 'bout cost him his job.

Guys like Pitt are going full Wickedson with this bullshit; waiting until after the fact to start calling people out is just garbage, especially when you've mis-characterized people's concerns or acted like they were made up from whole cloth. Gary Pinkel's job was deservedly on the line this season. Had he gone out there and continued to get out-worked both during the recruiting season and on gamedays, he'd have deserved to get canned. Had his hand-picked OC not been as good as it appears he is (or had Yost still been around), then Pinkel would've put loyalty ahead of talent (again) and he'd have deserved to get canned.

But it appears he made a very good decision on Henson. He's also gotten the discipline issues back under control. He's essentially back where he was 3 years ago before he let himself get sidetracked by the conference stuff (and maybe rest on his laurels a bit). As such, there's no reason to let him go. He earned his retention and some extra rope.

But he doesn't get to be coach for life here. Get another DUI and watch the program fall because of loyalty hires and shitty discipline, and yeah, I'll call for his ouster again.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Pinkel has 'changed his coaching habits' several times throughout his MU tenure.

He's a surprisingly innovative guy for being something of a crusty old football guy. He'd have been well ahead of the curve on social media in the SEC. He's become more and more of a player's coach as he's been around. He's changed from a defense first coach to an offensively minded guy that's changed offensive emphasis 2 or 3 times now.

He's not as stubborn in terms of his philosophy as so many paint him.

My problem with him has always been his loyalty to failed guys. Refusing to move on from Eberflus or Yost. Bringing in family and long-time friends for key coaching roles. Things like that breed a culture of complacency and I think that's why you see us lagging now in recruiting somewhat.

Pinkel's a smart football guy that's actually quite adept at changing with the times. I just get frustrated by watching us retain shitty guys or pass on good ones because he won't cut the cord.

As for some of the rest of the disingenuous horse-shit that's polluted the last couple of pages of this thread, if you were still gung-ho over Gary Pinkel heading into this season, you weren't paying attention. He was getting negative recruited to death over the DUI incident, his coaches were simply being outworked during the off-season and his attention to detail had slipped noticeably, as was evident by the fact that our players started to get into trouble more often.

Gary Pinkel absolutely earned his hot seat and it had very little to do with a down record last season. It was a bunch of stuff surrounding the program that 'bout cost him his job.

Guys like Pitt are going full Wickedson with this bullshit; waiting until after the fact to start calling people out is just garbage, especially when you've mis-characterized people's concerns or acted like they were made up from whole cloth. Gary Pinkel's job was deservedly on the line this season. Had he gone out there and continued to get out-worked both during the recruiting season and on gamedays, he'd have deserved to get canned. Had his hand-picked OC not been as good as it appears he is (or had Yost still been around), then Pinkel would've put loyalty ahead of talent (again) and he'd have deserved to get canned.

But it appears he made a very good decision on Henson. He's also gotten the discipline issues back under control. He's essentially back where he was 3 years ago before he let himself get sidetracked by the conference stuff (and maybe rest on his laurels a bit). As such, there's no reason to let him go. He earned his retention and some extra rope.

But he doesn't get to be coach for life here. Get another DUI and watch the program fall because of loyalty hires and shitty discipline, and yeah, I'll call for his ouster again.

Nailed it

[warpaint*]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Pinkel has 'changed his coaching habits' several times throughout his MU tenure.

He's a surprisingly innovative guy for being something of a crusty old football guy. He'd have been well ahead of the curve on social media in the SEC. He's become more and more of a player's coach as he's been around. He's changed from a defense first coach to an offensively minded guy that's changed offensive emphasis 2 or 3 times now.

He's not as stubborn in terms of his philosophy as so many paint him.

My problem with him has always been his loyalty to failed guys. Refusing to move on from Eberflus or Yost. Bringing in family and long-time friends for key coaching roles. Things like that breed a culture of complacency and I think that's why you see us lagging now in recruiting somewhat.

Pinkel's a smart football guy that's actually quite adept at changing with the times. I just get frustrated by watching us retain shitty guys or pass on good ones because he won't cut the cord.

As for some of the rest of the disingenuous horse-shit that's polluted the last couple of pages of this thread, if you were still gung-ho over Gary Pinkel heading into this season, you weren't paying attention. He was getting negative recruited to death over the DUI incident, his coaches were simply being outworked during the off-season and his attention to detail had slipped noticeably, as was evident by the fact that our players started to get into trouble more often.

Gary Pinkel absolutely earned his hot seat and it had very little to do with a down record last season. It was a bunch of stuff surrounding the program that 'bout cost him his job.

Guys like Pitt are going full Wickedson with this bullshit; waiting until after the fact to start calling people out is just garbage, especially when you've mis-characterized people's concerns or acted like they were made up from whole cloth. Gary Pinkel's job was deservedly on the line this season. Had he gone out there and continued to get out-worked both during the recruiting season and on gamedays, he'd have deserved to get canned. Had his hand-picked OC not been as good as it appears he is (or had Yost still been around), then Pinkel would've put loyalty ahead of talent (again) and he'd have deserved to get canned.

But it appears he made a very good decision on Henson. He's also gotten the discipline issues back under control. He's essentially back where he was 3 years ago before he let himself get sidetracked by the conference stuff (and maybe rest on his laurels a bit). As such, there's no reason to let him go. He earned his retention and some extra rope.

But he doesn't get to be coach for life here. Get another DUI and watch the program fall because of loyalty hires and shitty discipline, and yeah, I'll call for his ouster again.

Pinkel has never been a defensive coach. His background is all offense. He was an OC at UDUB before getting his first HC job.

His defenses at Mizzou have never really been good. They've been "good enough" some years playing with big leads behind a strong offense a la '07 but that's about as good as he's been able to do. Basically mediocre at best.

This year for all the sacks and turnovers it's currently 50th in the nation in total defense, 7th in the SEC in a down year for the league defensively, up from the mid 80s after their dominant performance Sat. The relative weakness being in the secondary of which Fla was ill equipped to expose.

What do people generally think of as his best defenses here? 2010? 47th in the country in total defense. 2007? 59th in the country in total defense. I looked up '03 and '11 and it goes down from there.

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It was an overall excellent post that was the only comment I had issue w/.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by warpaint*

Pinkel has never been a defensive coach. His background is all offense. He was an OC at UDUB before getting his first HC job.

His defenses at Mizzou have never really been good. They've been "good enough" some years playing with big leads behind a strong offense a la '07 but that's about as good as he's been able to do. Basically mediocre at best.

This year for all the sacks and turnovers it's currently 50th in the nation in total defense, 7th in the SEC in a down year for the league defensively, up from the mid 80s after their dominant performance Sat. The relative weakness being in the secondary of which Fla was ill equipped to expose.

What do people generally think of as his best defenses here? 2010? 47th in the country in total defense. 2007? 59th in the country in total defense. I looked up '03 and '11 and it goes down from there.

************************

It was an overall excellent post that was the only comment I had issue w/.

Total yards is a terrible barometer in college football. Mizzou runs an up-tempo offense. As such, our games have a lot more plays and possessions. Check yards per play and yards per possession. That will tell a different story. Additionally, we have been playing from way ahead, and teams have had to take chances. They get more yards, but they risk turning it over...and they have turned it over a ton.

This defense is legit.

[DJ's left nut]

Fair point - I was referring mostly to the 2001-2004 seasons when he appeared to be trying to build a ball-control team around guys like Brad Smith and Zack Abron. He didn't really favor the shoot-outs; he wanted to keep the scores down and make some big plays on the ground to steal wins. It was 'defense first' in the same way that Reid's presently playing defense first. Andy will always be an offensive guy, but given his personnel, he's winning with his D. Pinkel had a similar look to him his first few years here.

Christensen really pushed the spread in 2005, then when Daniel left and the pure spread stopped working Pinkel tried a goofy hybrid style spread under Yost. This year isn't even a spread offense as much as it's just a shotgun style offense with some damn good WRs. The blocking is more conventional, the routes and reads are more conventional. It bares very little resemblance to the spread we ran under Christensen. Which is good - Yost tried to make a Franken-spread using what he thought he knew from the previous offense and adding to it. Alas, he just didn't get it and it was clearly a mess. Henson almost hitting the re-set button was a necessary development.

[beer bacon]

We're up at the top of the conference in just about every defensive category for SEC conference play:

Scoring defense: 23.7 ppg
That's good enough for third behind Bama and Florida

Rush defense: 117.67 ypg
That's second in the conference behind Bama at 117.25 ypg. That's a difference of less than half a yard. We're first in conference play giving up 3.53 yards per rush.

Pass defense: 240 ypg
Good enough for 7th in the conference. Right in the middle. However, we're second to Florida in yards per attempt at 6.3 and third in QB rating against at 119.98.

Total defense: 4th at 357.7 ypg. However, just like passing defense, we're second to Florida in yards per attempt at 4.99 yards per play. We're the only two teams giving up less than 5 yards per play.

Third down defense: 1st at 30%. Yeap, we're first at stopping the other team on third downs in conference play. Third down defense always seems our biggest weakness to me, but we're doing a great job so far.

Sacks per game: 1st at 5 sacks a game. Georgia is second at 3.2 sacks per game. Which leads us to...

T/O margin: 1st at +2 a game. In three conference games we've taken the ball away eight times and given it to the other team twice. Three teams are tied for second at +1 a game.

Tackles for loss per game: 2nd with 7.33 TFL a game. First is Auburn at 7.5

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Pinkel has 'changed his coaching habits' several times throughout his MU tenure.

He's a surprisingly innovative guy for being something of a crusty old football guy. He'd have been well ahead of the curve on social media in the SEC. He's become more and more of a player's coach as he's been around. He's changed from a defense first coach to an offensively minded guy that's changed offensive emphasis 2 or 3 times now.

He's not as stubborn in terms of his philosophy as so many paint him.

My problem with him has always been his loyalty to failed guys. Refusing to move on from Eberflus or Yost. Bringing in family and long-time friends for key coaching roles. Things like that breed a culture of complacency and I think that's why you see us lagging now in recruiting somewhat.

Pinkel's a smart football guy that's actually quite adept at changing with the times. I just get frustrated by watching us retain shitty guys or pass on good ones because he won't cut the cord.

As for some of the rest of the disingenuous horse-shit that's polluted the last couple of pages of this thread, if you were still gung-ho over Gary Pinkel heading into this season, you weren't paying attention. He was getting negative recruited to death over the DUI incident, his coaches were simply being outworked during the off-season and his attention to detail had slipped noticeably, as was evident by the fact that our players started to get into trouble more often.

Gary Pinkel absolutely earned his hot seat and it had very little to do with a down record last season. It was a bunch of stuff surrounding the program that 'bout cost him his job.

Guys like Pitt are going full Wickedson with this bullshit; waiting until after the fact to start calling people out is just garbage, especially when you've mis-characterized people's concerns or acted like they were made up from whole cloth. Gary Pinkel's job was deservedly on the line this season. Had he gone out there and continued to get out-worked both during the recruiting season and on gamedays, he'd have deserved to get canned. Had his hand-picked OC not been as good as it appears he is (or had Yost still been around), then Pinkel would've put loyalty ahead of talent (again) and he'd have deserved to get canned.

But it appears he made a very good decision on Henson. He's also gotten the discipline issues back under control. He's essentially back where he was 3 years ago before he let himself get sidetracked by the conference stuff (and maybe rest on his laurels a bit). As such, there's no reason to let him go. He earned his retention and some extra rope.

But he doesn't get to be coach for life here. Get another DUI and watch the program fall because of loyalty hires and shitty discipline, and yeah, I'll call for his ouster again.

Great post. Although there are only two guys like Pitt, and we all know who they are.