Keitzman going off on Carl - Page 5

BigChiefFan · 09-11-2007, 01:22 PM

On sports radio 810 Kevein Keitzman is going off on Carl. I love it. He's actually saying some good things. Great rant.

chrisdel · 09-11-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

Great example of sloppily regurgitating what the media is shoveling you....

We want to rebuild... but not with that guy. Look at how terrible we've drafted the last few years.... Colquitt, Hali, Page, Pollard, Tyler. And our latest FA pickups.... Law, Surtain, Bennett, Boone..... all trash. He's not even trying...

We want a QBOTF, but not Croyle. I mean, he struggled and threw some INTs in preseason. Bust Bust Bust. No way could he improve..... Cut him now!

The media is not shoveling anything to me. It's friggin obvious dude. 0 playoff victories in 14 years (assuming we don't make it this year, which I am). That should be enough to get him fired.

He's had good pickups, good drafts. I'm not saying he's not trying. I'm saying that he's had his chances and it's time for a change. He's made far too many mistakes in the last few years, and I don't have time to list them because I should be working right now.

And I'm sorry, but I just don't have faith in Croyle. We'll see more of him this year when the season is lost, and maybe I'll be wrong. We'll see.

Mecca · 09-11-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

The Chiefs do deserve to be raked over the coals. Carl's motives should be questioned. But this offseason everyone was excited about getting rid of so much of the old weight and getting youth on the team. There were numerous call for a 2 or 3 win season. We wanted a change.

Well.... change is here, and now people are bitching about what they were begging for last year.

But the problem is for the change, the same shit is going on. Half the starting lineup is over 30. They are not playing Croyle...it looks like another bandaid it up to win 7 games effort as usual.

I also think a lot of us that called for change and a bad year were hoping this would happen and we could get rid of Carl. And Herm too, I was ok with Herm at first now I seriously hate the guy and wish he'd go away and never come back.

chrisdel · 09-11-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

The Chiefs do deserve to be raked over the coals. Carl's motives should be questioned. But this offseason everyone was excited about getting rid of so much of the old weight and getting youth on the team. There were numerous call for a 2 or 3 win season. We wanted a change.

Well.... change is here, and now people are bitching about what they were begging for last year.

How is our team really younger? D-line and safeties. One receiver. That's it. They claim it's a youth movement, but I don't see it. I could be wrong, but 17 of the 22 starting positions on this team are older than last year.

Direckshun · 09-11-2007, 02:29 PM

Even a stopped clock is right two times a day.

KK's got it straight at this time. The last three personnel moves the Chiefs have made (Huard > Croyle, Drummond > Phinisee, cutting Medlock) were poor, short-sighted moves and have partially spoiled what should be handled as a rebuilding year.

Chiefnj2 · 09-11-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

The Chiefs do deserve to be raked over the coals. Carl's motives should be questioned. But this offseason everyone was excited about getting rid of so much of the old weight and getting youth on the team. There were numerous call for a 2 or 3 win season. We wanted a change.

Well.... change is here, and now people are bitching about what they were begging for last year.

The change is half-assed. You build an offense through the OL and QB.

**Rausch** · 09-11-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Cincy is a hell of a lot better than Houston....

Honestly where are the Chiefs talented where are they above the NFL average? There's only a couple of positions, at some we are far below.

We have a young safety tandem that's talented but still learning. Year 2, it's not like they'll be lockdown coverage guys in that span.

Add turk and Tank. Again, talented and looking good.

We have no idea what we have at WR yet 'cause he's a rook.

DJ and even Nappy are fairly young. Our LB's are set.

Hali and Allen are a sweet bookend combo.

And while it's not an impact position (for us it is) our Punter deserves a probowl.

And who could forget LJ?..

Fish · 09-11-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

No offense or anything put a first day punter better be really damn good, drafting a punter is questionable to begin with. You can't even list guys like Pollard or Tyler they are unproven we don't know.

Bennett has been trash so far you touch him he gets hurt....this roster is not overly talented compared to other teams, let's not act like it is.

Are you saying Colquitt isn't a 1st day value to this team right now?

And yes, I think I can list guys like Pollard or Tyler. If you don't think they have more ability than Sims and Bartee, then I question your sanity. They will continue to show their abilities.

And Bennett is still a better backup than we've had for a long time.

htismaqe · 09-11-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'm not a Carl fan. He did some good things, but his time has run its course in KC.

This said, the logic behind Kietzman's rant was asinine. For example: He compared Carl (and by extension the Hunt family) to David Glass and claimed that what Carl's done is far worse than Glass. Kietz's logic was that Glass hired Baird, then considered the next great thing. When this failed, Glass went with Moore, the next, next great thing, so at least he's trying.

No mention of what happened during Baird's regime. Two World Series champs not retained (one the MVP). Three-hole hitter on one of the best teams in MLB, gone. For lots of years = Glass wasn't trying to win but was trying to restructure the economics of the game. Carl = trying to win but not competent (or perhaps gutsy) enough to pull it off.

Actually, Carl has been trying for the last 10 years to restructure the economics of the game in the form of adding additional playoff participants...

Mr. Laz · 09-11-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

No they wouldn't. There are plenty of other topics they can parrot on about instead. Some would find a way to criticize if we went 19-0.

Some people here want to rebuild, but don't want to lose any games. They want a QBOTF, but not one who will throw an INT. They want balance, but we should throw the ball more.

They demand change, but they don't want change.

and there some people who have NEVER found anything they couldn't blame on the media or other fans.

BigChiefFan · 09-11-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hawkchief

Carl's "ruthlessness" is simply his bully-like reactions due to his personal insecurities about his ability to capably perform his duties. He's used his bully pulpit for 19 years to attempt to intimidate the local media (not just Kietzman) becuase he doesn't like it when someone calls inot question his personnel record and management abilities.

IMO his insecurities are quite transparent, and his childish bullying tactics are one of the primary reasons I want to see his ass canned.

Great post. I agree completely.

**DeezNutz** · 09-11-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Even a stopped clock is right two times a day.

KK's got it straight at this time. The last three personnel moves the Chiefs have made (Huard > Croyle, Drummond > Phinisee, cutting Medlock) were poor, short-sighted moves and have partially spoiled what should be handled as a rebuilding year.

Did you actually hear KK today? You just made a more compelling point than he made in his entire 20-minute rant. If by "got it straight" you mean Carl should go, ok, but how much thought does that take? Quick, ill-conceived, emotionally-charged crap is a KK specialty.

Mecca · 09-11-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

We have a young safety tandem that's talented but still learning. Year 2, it's not like they'll be lockdown coverage guys in that span.

Add turk and Tank. Again, talented and looking good.

We have no idea what we have at WR yet 'cause he's a rook.

DJ and even Nappy are fairly young. Our LB's are set.

Hali and Allen are a sweet bookend combo.

And while it's not an impact position (for us it is) our Punter deserves a probowl.

And who could forget LJ?..

Ok I haven't seen 1 good thing from Turk McBride but I'll say this, until they become good players they are unknowns. At best you can say league average players.....

At the WR position even if Bowe becomes good we are still one of the absolute worst teams in the league at that position.

DJ so far in his career is a league average LB, Nap Harris has basically sucked and been injury prone...

The ends are a good pairing and together are better than what a lot of teams will pair up.

Our punter is never going to make a pro bowl because that guy up in Buffalo that was undrafted, Brian Moorman is better than he is.

And LJ has all history pointing to him becoming a declining player with a short career....right now I'd take at least 3 RB's before him.

bobbything · 09-11-2007, 02:37 PM

I want to hear someone actually refute what Kietzman was saying. Love him or hate him, he was saying the same things that all of "us" have been saying for some time.

**DeezNutz** · 09-11-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Actually, Carl has been trying for the last 10 years to restructure the economics of the game in the form of adding additional playoff participants...

Point taken. But no one can seriously argue that Glass has been trying and Carl (or Hunt) hasn't. When the Royals' payroll is consistently at or above the money they receive in revenue sharing, then let's talk. I think the whole "Carl just wants to fill the seats" argument is bull. Does he want to do that? Yes. Does he want to win, too? Yes. For years, winning wasn't Glass's first priority. I hope this has changed.

htismaqe · 09-11-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

The change is half-assed. You build an offense through the OL and QB.

It's not half-assed at all.

They're deliberately doing it this way because they don't WANT change, but they want to give the fans the impression that things are changing...

09-11-2007, 01:22 PM
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09-11-2007, 02:29 PM	#64
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4363447	Even a stopped clock is right two times a day. KK's got it straight at this time. The last three personnel moves the Chiefs have made (Huard > Croyle, Drummond > Phinisee, cutting Medlock) were poor, short-sighted moves and have partially spoiled what should be handled as a rebuilding year.
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09-11-2007, 02:37 PM	#73
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