Keitzman going off on Carl

[BigChiefFan]

On sports radio 810 Kevein Keitzman is going off on Carl. I love it. He's actually saying some good things. Great rant.

[hawkchief]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

The Chiefs do deserve to be raked over the coals. Carl's motives should be questioned. But this offseason everyone was excited about getting rid of so much of the old weight and getting youth on the team. There were numerous call for a 2 or 3 win season. We wanted a change.

Well.... change is here, and now people are bitching about what they were begging for last year.

No, we're NOT getting what we've been beggin for. Where have we gotten younger? QB - no, see Huard instead of Croyle. Kicker - no, he got two FG chances and then was cut. LB - no, see Donnie Edwards. CB - no, see Pat Surtain and Ty Law. We got younger on the OL because guys like Shields and Roaf retired because they got tired of waitng for Carl to put a defense on the field to support them.

Carl Peterson has had 19 years to build something in KC. 5+ of those years had 8 fuggin PRO BOWLERS on offense, and he still couldn't win an AFC Championship game. Now, the chickens have come home to roost, and all of his pathetic drafts and FA acquisitions have put this team in a terrible position, stocked with very little young talent - and dismal prospects for the future, period.

He's created a situation that won't be fixed in one or two seasons, yet he continues to try and win 7-9 games, at the expense of possibly building a winner for the future, which is what most of us want. He does it to persuade the "real fans"/lemmings, foolish enough and unable to see through his ruse, to continue to buy his shitty product so he can keep his job for another year or two.

That's not what I want, and Clark needs to wake up before he runs his dad's franchise right over the cliff.

[bobbything]

Originally Posted by hawkchief

Carl Peterson has had 19 years to build something in KC. 5+ of those years had 8 fuggin PRO BOWLERS on offense, and he still couldn't win an playoff game.

FYP.

[bobbything]

Originally Posted by hawkchief

Carl Peterson has had 19 years to build something in KC. 5+ of those years had 8 fuggin PRO BOWLERS on offense, and he still couldn't win a playoff game.

FYP.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's not half-assed at all.

They're deliberately doing it this way because they don't WANT change, but they want to give the fans the impression that things are changing...

That's exactly what I think, and it's working there are tons of people buying in that it is changing when it's really not.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Point taken. But no one can seriously argue that Glass has been trying and Carl (or Hunt) hasn't. When the Royals' payroll is consistently at or above the money they receive in revenue sharing, then let's talk. I think the whole "Carl just wants to fill the seats" argument is bull. Does he want to do that? Yes. Does he want to win, too? Yes. For years, winning wasn't Glass's first priority. I hope this has changed.

I think Glass has made some massive mistakes over the years, but it's obvious he's trying to correct him and do this right. He hired the best GM prospect in the game of baseball, upped the payroll to $67 million, which is more than winning teams like the Twins, Indians, A's, etc spend... and way more than the D-Rays/Pirates/Marlins group we always get compared to spend. They actually had a list on an ESPN game a couple weeks ago with the 8 lowest payrolls in baseball, and for the first time I can remember the Royals weren't on it. We're gonna be top 10 in Latin American spending, we're spending more money on draft picks. We added a 7th minor league affiliate. We made one of the best free agent signings of last offseason in Gil Meche. I realize baseball isn't quite as level as football and it's a whole different discussion, but it's not nearly as dire as it was even 3-4 years ago.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by hawkchief

No, we're NOT getting what we've been beggin for. Where have we gotten younger? QB - no, see Huard instead of Croyle. Kicker - no, he got two FG chances and then was cut. LB - no, see Donnie Edwards. CB - no, see Pat Surtain and Ty Law. We got younger on the OL because guys like Shields and Roaf retired because they got tired of waitng for Carl to put a defense on the field to support them.

Carl Peterson has had 19 years to build something in KC. 5+ of those years had 8 fuggin PRO BOWLERS on offense, and he still couldn't win an AFC Championship game. Now, the chickens have come home to roost, and all of his pathetic drafts and FA acquisitions have put this team in a terrible position, stocked with very little young talent - and dismal prospects for the future, period.

He's created a situation that won't be fixed in one or two seasons, yet he continues to try and win 7-9 games, at the expense of possibly building a winner for the future, which is what most of us want. He does it to persuade the "real fans"/lemmings, foolish enough and unable to see through his ruse, to continue to buy his shitty product so he can keep his job for another year or two.

That's not what I want, and Clark needs to wake up before he runs his dad's franchise right over the cliff.

Great post. You absolutely right about it being a ruse, that some have bought, hook, line, and sinker. This isn't a youth movement. This a patchwork, half-assed attempt of keeping the status quo.

[hawkchief]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Point taken. But no one can seriously argue that Glass has been trying and Carl (or Hunt) hasn't. When the Royals' payroll is consistently at or above the money they receive in revenue sharing, then let's talk. I think the whole "Carl just wants to fill the seats" argument is bull. Does he want to do that? Yes. Does he want to win, too? Yes. For years, winning wasn't Glass's first priority. I hope this has changed.

For many of us, wheter Carl really wants to win or not, is irrelevant. The fact that he's proven for 19 years now that he can't, makes it obvious that Clark Hunt (and evidently Carl's) first and primary concern is fleecing the fans out of big $$$, not winning a championship.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by tk13

If you don't think Glass is trying to win, you're not paying attention. He hired the best GM prospect in the game of baseball, upped the payroll to $67 million, which is more than winning teams like the Twins, Indians, A's, etc spend... and way more than the D-Rays/Pirates/Marlins group we always get compared to spend. They actually had a list on an ESPN game a couple weeks ago with the 8 lowest payrolls in baseball, and for the first time I can remember the Royals weren't on it. We're gonna be top 10 in Latin American spending, we're spending more money on draft picks. We made one of the best free agent signings of last offseason in Gil Meche.

I think I said that "for years winning wasn't Glass's first priority." Currently, it seems like things are changing for the better. It's going to take more than one off-season signing and one year of increased spending to convince me.

Next year, the Royals are expected to receive $70 mil. in revenue sharing. Let's see us continue to increase the payroll. Let's see us continue to be players for premier free-agent talent. We signed one expensive player. Great. Let's get another good one. Let's see us re-sign a stud player. If Gordon and Butler develop, are you absolutely sure Glass will pony up? Not me. He has a proven track record of not trying to win, and I'm going to have to see more evidence to the contrary before I can get really excited about this team.

Tired of being a glorified farm team...I don't want to spend money for spending's sake, but I want to see the positive trend we've seen this year continue.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by hawkchief

No, we're NOT getting what we've been beggin for. Where have we gotten younger? QB - no, see Huard instead of Croyle. Kicker - no, he got two FG chances and then was cut. LB - no, see Donnie Edwards. CB - no, see Pat Surtain and Ty Law. We got younger on the OL because guys like Shields and Roaf retired because they got tired of waitng for Carl to put a defense on the field to support them.

Carl Peterson has had 19 years to build something in KC. 5+ of those years had 8 fuggin PRO BOWLERS on offense, and he still couldn't win an AFC Championship game. Now, the chickens have come home to roost, and all of his pathetic drafts and FA acquisitions have put this team in a terrible position, stocked with very little young talent - and dismal prospects for the future, period.

He's created a situation that won't be fixed in one or two seasons, yet he continues to try and win 7-9 games at the expense of possibly building a winner for the future, which is what most of us want. He does it to persuade the lemming foolish enough and unable to see through his ruse, to continue to buy his shitty product so he can keep his job for another year or two.

That's not what I want, and Clark needs to wake up before he runs his dad's franchise right over the cliff.

I agree. But his ruse is still working... making threads like this pointless. Which is the point I was trying to make. Some people don't even know what they want...

We got to see our QBOTF all preseason... and with that came countless threads about what a bust Croyle was. People were piling on about Croyle sucks, when it should have been clear that he's going to struggle some his first year of starting. Obviously, Carl was listening, and needed to placate those fans... so Huard is named starter, to the delight of many. Now we see Huard for what he is in the first game...

Same situation with the kicker. Bust bust bust was all you heard. But instead of giving him time to develop, he's a scapegoat the first game.

The same people bitching were more than likely the ones that were perfectly content when we were losing 38-31. At least that was exciting right?

Bitch about Carl, but he still manipulates his fans as easily as ever... and through the Hunt's eyes, the seats are still full. Why change?

[Mr. Laz]

almost all the youth are guys that will only see the field on special teams.

the starters are just as old as other teams in the league if not older.

[Mecca]

It's like I said a long time ago there are a lot of fans of this team that don't care about winning a Bowl or doing what it takes to get there.

They love the status quo of the Chiefs, they compete, win most of their home games. So they can go out there get drunk, tailgate and use it an excuse to have a good time party every Sunday and enjoy the games because the Chiefs usually win at home.

You do what it takes to win a Bowl you may kill those peoples good time party for a couple years and they will be totally pissed, that is why they don't want to see the kicker or a guy like Croyle.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by tk13

I think Glass has made some massive mistakes over the years, but it's obvious he's trying to correct him and do this right. He hired the best GM prospect in the game of baseball, upped the payroll to $67 million, which is more than winning teams like the Twins, Indians, A's, etc spend... and way more than the D-Rays/Pirates/Marlins group we always get compared to spend. They actually had a list on an ESPN game a couple weeks ago with the 8 lowest payrolls in baseball, and for the first time I can remember the Royals weren't on it. We're gonna be top 10 in Latin American spending, we're spending more money on draft picks. We added a 7th minor league affiliate. We made one of the best free agent signings of last offseason in Gil Meche. I realize baseball isn't quite as level as football and it's a whole different discussion, but it's not nearly as dire as it was even 3-4 years ago.

I appreciate the fact that you qualified your post. But I disagree that anything is obvious...yet. Let's see a trend. My previous post states more specifics.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Bitch about Carl, but he still manipulates his fans as easily as ever... and through the Hunt's eyes, the seats are still full. Why change?

And that's the bottom line...

[Paul Palmer]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'm not a Carl fan. He did some good things, but his time has run its course in KC.

This said, the logic behind Kietzman's rant was asinine. For example: He compared Carl (and by extension the Hunt family) to David Glass and claimed that what Carl's done is far worse than Glass. Kietz's logic was that Glass hired Baird, then considered the next great thing. When this failed, Glass went with Moore, the next, next great thing, so at least he's trying.

No mention of what happened during Baird's regime. Two World Series champs not retained (one the MVP). Three-hole hitter on one of the best teams in MLB, gone. For lots of years = Glass wasn't trying to win but was trying to restructure the economics of the game. Carl = trying to win but not competent (or perhaps gutsy) enough to pull it off.

I love the bitter Royal fan in you DN...That's true blue KC...This team is simply missing pieces to be a competitive team...and that's got to rest with Carl...

[BigChiefFan]

It's all economics. An average team puts asses in the seats, a shitty team doesn't. Carl's main priority is money. Winning is secondary. That's why he shouldn't be the GM and CEO-it's a CONFLICT OF INTEREST.