Mizzou Basketball

[Saul Good]

MIZ-ZOU

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Why? Seems fair to me.

They played against a higher ranked seed in a tough environment and damn near won. KU proved that they are easily a top 10 team in that game and made a stronger claim than ever for a top 5(ish) spot.

They're a lot better than I thought they were. They certainly didn't deserve to drop after that game.

I don't think you should be rewarded for losing. I expected them to either stay the same, or wind up around #9, or #10 at worst.

If Mizzou were to lose at Lawrence by only three points, would you expect them to stay at #4 or drop?

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Why? Seems fair to me.

They played against a higher ranked seed in a tough environment and damn near won. KU proved that they are easily a top 10 team in that game and made a stronger claim than ever for a top 5(ish) spot.

They're a lot better than I thought they were. They certainly didn't deserve to drop after that game.

But Duke sure did after losing at home to Miami.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

I don't think you should be rewarded for losing. I expected them to either stay the same, or wind up around #9, or #10 at worst.

If Mizzou were to lose at Lawrence by only three points, would you expect them to stay at #4 or drop?

Mizzou would've been losing to a lower seed on the road; I'd expect them to drop to around 6 or 7 at that point.

Duke lost - they had to go down. And KU didn't do anything to show that anyone behind them deserved to leapfrog over them. They essentially did stay the same, its just that Duke moved behind them with a bad loss.

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Mizzou would've been losing to a lower seed on the road; I'd expect them to drop to around 6 or 7 at that point.

Duke lost - they had to go down. And KU didn't do anything to show that anyone behind them deserved to leapfrog over them. They essentially did stay the same, its just that Duke moved behind them with a bad loss.

Meh. Not really that fired up about it. Although I would say that if Mizzou was the #8 team, and Duke lost ahead of them, and they lost to #4 ku at allen fieldhouse, I am not sure Mizzou would move up in that situation. ku is getting the benefit of their reputation, which is no big deal in basketball, since everything is decided come tournament time.

One could spin ku moving up by saying that the voters showed Mizzou some respect by saying ku lost a very high quality opponent. I can live with that.

[tooge]

RULES

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

Meh. Not really that fired up about it. Although I would say that if Mizzou was the #8 team, and Duke lost ahead of them, and they lost to #4 ku at allen fieldhouse, I am not sure Mizzou would move up in that situation. ku is getting the benefit of their reputation, which is no big deal in basketball, since everything is decided come tournament time.

One could spin ku moving up by saying that the voters showed Mizzou some respect by saying ku lost a very high quality opponent. I can live with that.

No, they aren't... the 3 teams around them -- Duke, MSU, and UNLV -- all lost, and the voters have made it obvious that Murray State has hit a wall around #10. KU lost by 3 on the road to a higher ranked team, and the two teams that could have jumped them both lost... Florida moved from #12 to #8 because of the other losses... 4 spots for beating South Carolina and Vanderbilt.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

Meh. Not really that fired up about it. Although I would say that if Mizzou was the #8 team, and Duke lost ahead of them, and they lost to #4 ku at allen fieldhouse, I am not sure Mizzou would move up in that situation. ku is getting the benefit of their reputation, which is no big deal in basketball, since everything is decided come tournament time.

One could spin ku moving up by saying that the voters showed Mizzou some respect by saying ku lost a very high quality opponent. I can live with that.

KU was also up by 8 points with 2 minutes left on the road against a highly ranked team.

And that highly ranked team had to have everything happen perfectly to pull out the win.

There are not many reasons to move a team up in the rankings if they lose but this would be the exact scenario when it works.

[Nzoner]

Rankings ain't going to mean shit when the letdown comes tonight at Oklahoma.

Hope I'm wrong and if so please shovel me a large plate of crow because I'll be more than happy to take it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

KU was also up by 8 points with 2 minutes left on the road against a highly ranked team.

And that highly ranked team had to have everything happen perfectly to pull out the win.

There are not many reasons to move a team up in the rankings if they lose but this would be the exact scenario when it works.

****!

I'm sorry, this violates my stated policy of never agreeing with Wickedson under any circumstances. "Agreement by omission", where I know what he probably has to say but lack any affirmative confirmation of it, is okay. However, once he starts actually putting ink to paper and articulating positions that match mine, it's time to re-think my stance.

So I've changed my mind - KU should actually have fallen out of the rankings because of that loss. They showed the charmin-esque mental toughness of an true NIT champion on Saturday. A legitimate top-25 team would never have let the moment get the best of them like that.

And Bill Self smokes pole.

There, I feel better now.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

When it comes to the ku/Mizzou situation, Self is being a big baby. Even the pundits on tv think ku is being stupid about it. I did not hear any of them comment that ku was in the right in their stand on the issue.

When did one of the pundits say KU was wrong?

All I heard them saying was that it was an unfortunate and upsetting situation but never did any of the announcers call out KU. Maybe I missed this?

Please provide a link or transcript when one of them said KU was being "stupid". I'd be very interested to hear that.

Like I said, lots of things were going on where I was during the game. I easily could have missed Vitale, Shulman, or one of the guys on the panel say that.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

****!

I'm sorry, this violates my stated policy of never agreeing with Wickedson under any circumstances. "Agreement by omission", where I know what he probably has to say but lack any affirmative confirmation of it, is okay. However, once he starts actually putting ink to paper and articulating positions that match mine, it's time to re-think my stance.

So I've changed my mind - KU should actually have fallen out of the rankings because of that loss. They showed the charmin-esque mental toughness of an true NIT champion on Saturday. A legitimate top-25 team would never have let the moment get the best of them like that.

And Bill Self smokes pole.

There, I feel better now.

hehe

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

No, they aren't... the 3 teams around them -- Duke, MSU, and UNLV -- all lost, and the voters have made it obvious that Murray State has hit a wall around #10. KU lost by 3 on the road to a higher ranked team, and the two teams that could have jumped them both lost... Florida moved from #12 to #8 because of the other losses... 4 spots for beating South Carolina and Vanderbilt.

I think the AP poll is a case of them moving up on the basis or reputation and having a "good loss". They dropped two spots in the coaches poll. At the end of the day, it is nothing to get your panties in a wad for. ku has a great hoops reputation..that is a great thing for your school. Where ku ranks does not hurt Mizzou in anyway, hell, it improves our SOS, and it was a great win that will help our seeding come tournament time. Teams do not usually move up after losing, but at the end of the day, it means very little.

The ranking will not mean squat if ku does not win in Waco this week. Mizzou's #4 ranking will not mean much if they do not win tonight in Norman. The only thing that really counts right now is winning. Rankings are fun to banter about and talk about, but it is the performance on the court in the next few weeks that is going to decide the season.

All three teams have destiny in their hands. They also all have to play each other in the next few weeks. Winning is the only thing that matters now, we are in the home stretch of one the best conference races that I can think of in my lifetime.

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

When did one of the pundits say KU was wrong?

All I heard them saying was that it was an unfortunate and upsetting situation but never did any of the announcers call out KU. Maybe I missed this?

Please provide a link or transcript when one of them said KU was being "stupid". I'd be very interested to hear that.

Like I said, lots of things were going on where I was during the game. I easily could have missed Vitale, Shulman, or one of the guys on the panel say that.

Dickie V. put is on Bill Self. Said the rivalry should continue, and that if Bill Self were to say ku would play, that the AD and administration would go along. 4

Everyone said the rivalry should continue. Everyone pointed out that Mizzou is willing. Everyone pointed out that Kansas was the jilted wife whiny about divorce...that analogy just makes ku looks dumb on its own, by the way. If you think the announcers and pundits on Saturday were supportive of ku's position, you are more stupid than we give you credit for.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Why? Seems fair to me.

They played against a higher ranked seed in a tough environment and damn near won. KU proved that they are easily a top 10 team in that game and made a stronger claim than ever for a top 5(ish) spot.

They're a lot better than I thought they were. They certainly didn't deserve to drop after that game.

I understand where you're coming from, but how many mulligans do the Hawks get? KU has 5 losses. The 6 teams ranked above them have 12 total losses. The 3 teams behind them that round out the top 10 have 8 combined losses, and one of those teams beat Kansas on a neutral floor.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

Dickie V. put is on Bill Self. Said the rivalry should continue, and that if Bill Self were to say ku would play, that the AD and administration would go along. 4

Everyone said the rivalry should continue. Everyone pointed out that Mizzou is willing. Everyone pointed out that Kansas was the jilted wife whiny about divorce...that analogy just makes ku looks dumb on its own, by the way. If you think the announcers and pundits on Saturday were supportive of ku's position, you are more stupid than we give you credit for.

really??