Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"

[the Talking Can]

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

some numbers to chew on from arrowhead pride

The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.

The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.

The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.

There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

People don't want to hear it, because it looks like an excuse for the QB.. but there have been some noticeably lackadaisical efforts from him. I don't think he's slow, but I don't feel he is always giving 100% out there after the payday.

.. and I am a fan of Bowe as a life-long LSU fan.

there actually haven't been any 'noticeably lackadaisical efforts' from Bowe...not that I'd expect a 49ers fan to know

but feel free to provide some evidence

Bowe has done everything they've asked, and has been a great blocker downfield (shown on tape, and mentioned by coach and Avery)...which is a thankless job

listening to Smith fanboi's run down Bowe for not being good enough for a gun shy Smith is too much...throw the damn ball, you pussy

[KC Jones]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I thought we'd be competitive this year with Alex because he doesn't turn it over.

I think the groaning is from those with unrealistic expectations from our QB. He is what he is.

I think the bitching is from those who wanted us to sign Aaron Rogers or Tom Brady. Still not sure why that didn't happen myself...

:confused:

[keg in kc]

There has to be a reason Bowe's the 2nd most targeted receiver behind Charles, and my guess is that it's not because he's like a "slow-moving tight end" who's playing the "worst he's looked in years".

Nope, nothing to do with the quarterback or the scheme.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

it was inevitable

we traded picks for a #winnow QB because this team had talent and was ready to win now...no time to groom a risky rookie

so Smith shows up and ta-daa!...none of our players are good enough for him

Bowe is a lazy malcontent, our OL doesn't have enough first round picks on it..McCluster - who this board loves to death - is now suddenly terrible, Avery (crickets)...

it sucks we have to spend a couple more years acquiring offensive talent for our franchise QB to not throw to, but I guess it has to be done

One of the interesting things I've seen with the win-now thing is that the team is winning because of no turnovers and game management, but who gives a shit about going 3 and out on the 50 followed by a FG after starting a drive inside the 10.... yet, the team would crumble if they had a quarterback (or playcalling) who stretched the field and sacrificed a few INTs for big plays. The defense can surely make up for an inept offense, but there's no way they could make up for a turnover here and there.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

listening to Smith fanboi's run down Bowe for not being good enough

So now, Bowe is being "run down" if anyone suggests he isn't giving 100% on every play? Do you even think when you type this? I have never seen so many people quick to exaggerate to extremes and get butthurt over their own terrible interpretations of words.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

every snap

but I'm sure the truth is Bowe can't get open in the nlf and is just a lazy bastard counting his money...

he never got open for cassle, croyle, huard, or thigpen either

I'm talking about your offensive line comment. Smith for the most part has been effective moving the ball when given time. The o-line at the moment is the biggest flaw on this team.

Bowe has always been productive but your assertion that he hasn't been lazy is false.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

One of the interesting things I've seen with the win-now thing is that the team is winning because of no turnovers and game management, but who gives a shit about going 3 and out on the 50 followed by a FG after starting a drive inside the 10.... yet, the team would crumble if they had a quarterback (or playcalling) who stretched the field and sacrificed a few INTs for big plays. The defense can surely make up for an inept offense, but there's no way they could make up for a turnover here and there.

Then take the time to break down plays as to why this is happening. I can tell you on 1 of the first 2 great field positions vs Philly, it went like this...

- dropped pass
- 2 yard Alex run
- dropped pass

punt.


Go ahead, at least break the play sequences down...

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

So now, Bowe is being "run down" if anyone suggests he isn't giving 100% on every play? Do you even think when you type this? I have never seen so many people quick to exaggerate to extremes and get butthurt over their own terrible interpretations of words.

When the coach calls a guy a "stud" after a 1 catch, 4 yard game, that guy's probably doing a lot of other things on a lot of other plays which most likely don't involve taking those plays off.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

So now, Bowe is being "run down" if anyone suggests he isn't giving 100% on every play? Do you even think when you type this? I have never seen so many people quick to exaggerate to extremes and get butthurt over their own terrible interpretations of words.

we need more 49ers fans trying to tell us things about our team...really, you guys are all so insightful

you don't know a god damn thing about Bowe, which is obvious...

but I'll wait around for all this 'lackadaisical effort' that you and only you have seen...

could you clue us in to where and when this happened?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

there actually haven't been any 'noticeably lackadaisical efforts' from Bowe...not that I'd expect a 49ers fan to know

but feel free to provide some evidence

Bowe has done everything they've asked, and has been a great blocker downfield (shown on tape, and mentioned by coach and Avery)...which is a thankless job

listening to Smith fanboi's run down Bowe for not being good enough for a gun shy Smith is too much...throw the damn ball, you pussy

Originally Posted by Priest31kc

Chris Wesseling @ChrisWesseling
Just heard NFL Films' @gregcosell on @Fantasy_Guru Podcast compare Dwayne Bowe to a slow-moving tight end. Worst he's looked in years.

So Greg Cosell is just an Alex Smith homer?

I bet Bowe pissed of Alex and Avery brings him muffins every morning.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

People don't want to hear it, because it looks like an excuse for the QB.. but there have been some noticeably lackadaisical efforts from him. I don't think he's slow, but I don't feel he is always giving 100% out there after the payday.

.. and I am a fan of Bowe as a life-long LSU fan.

This is pretty much bullshit.

There are WR's that take plays off. Bowe doesn't. The only issue I've had with him so far this year is he took off on a catch and got great yards afterward, but then sat on his ass when three guys closed in on him.

That's it.

He's a good blocker for other WR's and Charles. He catches the ball when it's thrown his way. He runs over the middle without fear. He defends shitty passes so they don't turn into INT's. He's a team player.

The only real knock on Bowe is that he isn't fast enough to get major seperation. Big ****ing deal. If Smith wasn't scared to throw it to a guy unless he was wide ****ing open; he could chuck it towards Bowe all day.

90% of the time Bowe wins a battle in close coverage. Bowe gets open enough for a supposedly accurate QB to get the ball to him

**** anyone who says Bowe looks like shit out there. He's trying despite not being targeted nearly as much as he should be.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

So Greg Cosell is just an Alex Smith homer?

I bet Bowe pissed of Alex and Avery brings him muffins every morning.

hey look, the True Fan showed up...

i'd love to hear from you all about Bowe's laziness...

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by Priest31kc

Chris Wesseling @ChrisWesseling
Just heard NFL Films' @gregcosell on @Fantasy_Guru Podcast compare Dwayne Bowe to a slow-moving tight end. Worst he's looked in years.

Bowe isn't fast. He never has been. He's a possession WR that will fight for the ball.

[keg in kc]

It's amazing to me how some people will jump instantly to the defense of Alex Smith, who's been here a matter of months, yet just as quickly jump all over a long-time incumbent pro bowl receiver.

So I guess it isn't so much about being a fan understandably jumping to the defense of all your Chiefs, just a selective fan who for some reason jumps only to the defense of certain Chiefs.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we need more 49ers fans trying to tell us things about our team...really, you guys are all so insightful

you don't know a god damn thing about Bowe, which is obvious...

but I'll wait around for all this 'lackadaisical effort' that you and only you have seen...

could you clue us in to where and when this happened?

Wish I were home to do so. Not even sure how many games other than Philly I saved on the DVR.

... but no problem. Forget I mentioned it. No need to get this butthurt about a fairly harmless comment. I am not saying Bowe is a lazy POS. Just forget it. Too many Chiefs tears have been shed for one day already.