A Change Gonna Come

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigRock

This just in: Scott Pioli didn't make the decisions in New England. He didn't pick the players they drafted. He signed the guys Belichick wanted. Trying to analyze their personnel decisions as a reflection on Pioli was, and is, a useless endeavour.

And you know who else is in that exact same spot? Doesn't make the decisions, works for a team where you know exactly who gets credit for the success? Eric DeCosta.

You're either on board with that profile or you aren't.

I'll take the guy that has worked his way up in one of the best organizations in all of football regarding free agency, the draft and the hiring of coaches over the guy that rode the coattails of his father-in-law and his cronies.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'll take the guy that has worked his way up in one of the best organizations in all of football regarding free agency, the draft and the hiring of coaches over the guy that rode the coattails of his father-in-law and his cronies.

Dude, Pioli worked his way up from the bottom in the same organization that Ozzie Newsome got his start in. It's the same damn profile. He didn't get hitched to Parcell's daughter until much later. Pioli may suck as a GM but he worked to get where he got to.

The thing with Pioli, DeCosta, all these guys that Hunt needs to ask himself is are they leaders? If yes, then they have a chance. If they are best suited as lieutenants who take orders from others and focus on doing their particular job that they are given well, then they are not suited to be a GM...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

Dude, Pioli worked his way up from the bottom in the same organization that Ozzie Newsome got his start in. It's the same damn profile. He didn't get hitched to Parcell's daughter until much later. Pioli may suck as a GM but he worked to get where he got to.

The thing is that he left and followed Parcells to the Jets, then Belichick to the Patriots.

How many great drafts did the Patriots have while he was there? How many first round busts? How many "gems" did he uncover?

How many quarterbacks did he draft in the first round?

Originally Posted by DaWolf

The thing with Pioli, DeCosta, all these guys that Hunt needs to ask himself is are they leaders? If yes, then they have a chance. If they are best suited as lieutenants who take orders from others and focus on doing their particular job that they are given well, then they are not suited to be a GM...

Bringing up DeCosta is moot because he's not going anywhere. The Chiefs need to be looking at guys like Eliot Wolf and Marc Ross or digging up a Ryan Grigson type of guy.

[Old Dog]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bringing up DeCosta is moot because he's not going anywhere. The Chiefs need to be looking at guys like Eliot Wolf and Marc Ross or digging up a Ryan Grigson type of guy.

Would prefer Wolf over Ross, but either one would be a hell of an upgrade

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'll take the guy that has worked his way up in one of the best organizations in all of football regarding free agency, the draft and the hiring of coaches over the guy that rode the coattails of his father-in-law and his cronies.

Yeah. Pioli didn't work his way up. Jesus.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Different paths to the top. DeCosta was a scout, then he was Director of College Scouting then Director of Player Personal.

Pioli was a scout with Cleveland. Pioli was a Director of Player Personel with the Jets and Pats. The lone difference is that DeCosta did entirely college, while Pioli did college and pro evaluations as he came up. They're very similar paths.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by BigRock

Pioli was a scout with Cleveland. Pioli was a Director of Player Personel with the Jets and Pats. The lone difference is that DeCosta did entirely college, while Pioli did college and pro evaluations as he came up. They're very similar paths.

Pioli has never been a scout.
http://media.kcchiefs.com/front-offi...l-manager.aspx

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Pioli has never been a scout.
http://media.kcchiefs.com/front-offi...l-manager.aspx

Are we getting technical over scout and assistant scout? He came up on the player personnel side. Those guys scout players. Most of Pioli's job for 10+ years has been flying around the country scouting.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigRock

Are we getting technical over scout and assistant scout? He came up on the player personnel side. Those guys scout players. Most of Pioli's job for 10+ years has been flying around the country scouting.

No, it hasn't.

Regional scouts and national scouts turn in reports and do the true legwork. Pioli doesn't spend his Saturdays at college football venues.

Furthermore, the mother****er tossed the scouting information collected by Chuck Cook and the Chiefs and instead, used his New England scouting reports for the 2009 draft.

Great job, Scott!

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by BigRock

Yeah. Pioli didn't work his way up. Jesus.



Pioli was a scout with Cleveland. Pioli was a Director of Player Personel with the Jets and Pats. The lone difference is that DeCosta did entirely college, while Pioli did college and pro evaluations as he came up. They're very similar paths.

The thing that worries me about DeCosta, and which should have worried me about Pioli, is that they both were comfortable staying in their successful environments and turning down other job offers. To me, when a guy starts to get comfortable where he is, where everything is set up nicely and they are a nice cog in the equation, and aren't sure if they want to leave that comfort to go push themselves and challenge themselves, it should raise alarm bells. If a guy is comfortable ruling their little piece of the kingdom while someone else runs the whole show, I worry about what that means from a leadership standpoint.

I'm sure at some point someone will offer DeCosta a boatload of money, and it may be enough to pull him away from BMore, but what happens when he goes somewhere where he doesn't have the same scouts, the same owner, the same office, when an entire organization is looking at him for leadership, where he doesn't have Ray Lewis and Joe Flacco on the field? How will he react? How will he lead? If I am Clark Hunt, that's my question to the guy if I'm interviewing him (of course if I am Clark Hunt, I am showing more leadership myself)...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigRock

Yeah. Pioli didn't work his way up. Jesus.

You're a ****ing moron.

Instead of hyperbole, why don't you give specific examples? Or is that above your pay grade?

Originally Posted by BigRock

Pioli was a scout with Cleveland. Pioli was a Director of Player Personel with the Jets and Pats. The lone difference is that DeCosta did entirely college, while Pioli did college and pro evaluations as he came up. They're very similar paths.

And just look at the personnel record during his stints with Cleveland, the Jets and the patriots.

HUGE difference between those and Baltimore.

And who really gives a **** about DeCosta, anyway? That idea is way past discussing, since he's not leaving Baltimore.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're a ****ing moron.

Instead of hyperbole, why don't you give specific examples? Or is that above your pay grade?

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that I needed to provide specifics of Scott Pioli's career path for you, given that a) he's been our GM for four years and we should be pretty familiar with him by now, and b) someone else had JUST DONE SO a few posts above me. In response to the exact same post I was replying to, no less.

Of course, given that you were spouting off ignorant bullshit about Pioli's record in New England, I should have recognized that you didn't have the first ****ing clue what you were talking about. I'm actually sort of embarrassed, because by now it should be painfully obvious that for a guy who's so convinced of his own brilliance, you're almost constantly talking out of your ass about things you have no understanding of.

And just to prove that point for me, you responded to the post that DID have specifics by only further demonstrating your laughable grasp of the topic.

PIOLI FOLLOWED PARCELLS TO NEW YORK, DURR HURRR. Really? Followed him from where? HOW MANY FIRST ROUND QBS DID PIOLI DRAFT, DURR HURR. Hey! Moron! He wasn't making the picks. Do you need ****ing flash cards here?

That sounds good, actually. Maybe I'll have some cards made up for you. Don't worry, we'll start off easy. One card will have a picture of a hole in the ground, and another will have a picture of your ass. And after a few weeks of intensive study, maybe you'll finally be able to tell the difference.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigRock

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that I needed to provide specifics of Scott Pioli's career path for you, given that a) he's been our GM for four years and we should be pretty familiar with him by now, and b) someone else had JUST DONE SO a few posts above me. In response to the exact same post I was replying to, no less.

Of course, given that you were spouting off ignorant bullshit about Pioli's record in New England, I should have recognized that you didn't have the first ****ing clue what you were talking about. I'm actually sort of embarrassed, because by now it should be painfully obvious that for a guy who's so convinced of his own brilliance, you're almost constantly talking out of your ass about things you have no understanding of.

And just to prove that point for me, you responded to the post that DID have specifics by only further demonstrating your laughable grasp of the topic.

PIOLI FOLLOWED PARCELLS TO NEW YORK, DURR HURRR. Really? Followed him from where? HOW MANY FIRST ROUND QBS DID PIOLI DRAFT, DURR HURR. Hey! Moron! He wasn't making the picks. Do you need ****ing flash cards here?

That sounds good, actually. Maybe I'll have some cards made up for you. Don't worry, we'll start off easy. One card will have a picture of a hole in the ground, and another will have a picture of your ass. And after a few weeks of intensive study, maybe you'll finally be able to tell the difference.

I was right earlier: You're dumb ****.

Good luck with that, ****.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I was right earlier: You're dumb ****.

You know what? I'll give you this. Just so you can say you were right about something.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigRock

You know what? I'll give you this. Just so you can say you were right about something.

I've never been right about anything.

Pioli's a genius. Thanks for the insight.