Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

[mikey23545]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Andy Reid and John Dorsey have apparently spent the entire offseason holed up in *****'s basement pulling bong hits, playing D & D, and scheming on the best way to ensure that the Chiefs will be 8-8 for the next 40 years. If you believe the Genobators, that is the more likely option than there not being a decent QB in this draft.

[Fat Elvis]

Reid and Dorsey are gamblers, and they are taking a risk with ASmith. They just happen to be master card counters playing blackjack while the Genobators are those guys who put their paycheck on Double Zero in roulette and then wonder why everyone looks at them funny.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Reid and Dorsey are gamblers, and they are taking a risk with ASmith. They just happen to be master card counters playing blackjack while the Genobators are those guys who put their paycheck on Double Zero in roulette and then wonder why everyone looks at them funny.

QBs don't grow on trees

Reid/Dorsey came in to a team with absolute shit at QB and had the #1 pick in an absolute shit draft class...

so instead of going with absolute shit they brought in the best guy available

do they think he's Tom Brady?

I highly doubt it.

but they are building a team around him to win some games until they can try and find their Tom Brady

and the fact people are mad because they gave up two picks with success rates of around 30% is laughable

go research picks 30-40 the past 10 years and report back on what you found

go go go go

[Hootie]

I don't care if Geno goes on to be the greatest QB of all time.

CLEARLY, 100%

CP overrated him as a draft prospect.

He has no comparison to Cam Newton. Cam Newton ended up being a blue chip prospect.

Geno wasn't.

This was proven on draft day.

Will the scouts be right? They were right about Clausen. They were clearly wrong about Russell Wilson. Pertaining to QB's? There are 1000 Geno's and Clausen's who fail and very few Russell's or Brady's.

the fact Geno fell to 39 (or whatever) is hilarious given how many posts we wasted on that idiot

it still cracks me up

...and CP can't even complain because he was taken in the 2nd ****ing round

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Hootie

I don't care if Geno goes on to be the greatest QB of all time.

CLEARLY, 100%

CP overrated him as a draft prospect.

He has no comparison to Cam Newton. Cam Newton ended up being a blue chip prospect.

Geno wasn't.

This was proven on draft day.

Will the scouts be right? They were right about Clausen. They were clearly wrong about Russell Wilson. Pertaining to QB's? There are 1000 Geno's and Clausen's who fail and very few Russell's or Brady's.

the fact Geno fell to 39 (or whatever) is hilarious given how many posts we wasted on that idiot

it still cracks me up

...and CP can't even complain because he was taken in the 2nd ****ing round

If the Jets hadn't of taken him he probably would have fell to the third.

[Hootie]

CP will be a smarter place when they learn to properly evaluate draft picks.

1st round picks are important because you can't miss often with those...

after that?

Nope. Success rates for rounds 2-4 just aren't that great. We're talking 30%. 5-7 forget about it.

draft picks are important because you can control players for 4 years at a very cheap price and they fill roster spots 30-53 generally

you can't go pluck 20 veterans because they cost 4 times more than a 3rd round rookie

draft picks are great roster fillers...and some of them turn out to be total steals

but draft picks, especially 4-7th rounders...are all lottery picks...if they work out, omg awesome whoa! If they don't...that's what happens to everyone.

Go look.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Hootie

CP will be a smarter place when they learn to properly evaluate draft picks.
1st round picks are important because you can't miss often with those...

after that?

Nope. Success rates for rounds 2-4 just aren't that great. We're talking 30%. 5-7 forget about it.

draft picks are important because you can control players for 4 years at a very cheap price and they fill roster spots 30-53 generally

you can't go pluck 20 veterans because they cost 4 times more than a 3rd round rookie

draft picks are great roster fillers...and some of them turn out to be total steals

but draft picks, especially 4-7th rounders...are all lottery picks...if they work out, omg awesome whoa! If they don't...that's what happens to everyone.

Go look.

Well you have to play the odds. We all know that to have your best chance to win a SB that you have to draft a QB in the 1st round. To bad for Geno because his odds of leading a team to the SB just went down considerably.

[Hootie]

let me put it this way

in terms of actual production and the fact they were on the field

Kendrick Lewis and Brandon Carr were absolute stud finds...the fact we got Lewis in the 5th round and he gave us one *arguably* solid year and another decent year?

Total steal.

but everyone always expects a Carr in the 5th round and that happening is literally a 1/15 shot.

Jared Allen? Ha.

It just isn't likely.

[Hootie]

that's why I was laughing about Barkley

people were pining for him in the 4th round...saying we had to take him

well hello?!!?? If we didn't take him 2 spots earlier we certainly weren't going to take him then...

I have serious doubts we had any QB's on our draft boards.

[cockeyes]

Gee whiz, this sounds a whole lot like that Nolan Nawrocki scouting report that the vaGeno mafia was pooh-poohing



Barkley, Smith scouting reports

Nolan Nawrocki
nnawrocki@pfwmedia.com
Senior editor

Posted April 01, 2013 @ 2:32 p.m. ET
By Nolan Nawrocki

QB Geno Smith, #12
West Virginia
PFW Grade: 5.39
Ht: 6-23/8 | Wt: 218 | Sp: 4.59 | Arm: 321/2 | Hand: 91/4

Notes: His cousin, Melvin Bratton, was a star running back for the Miami Hurricanes in the late 1980s. The Florida prep was a Parade All-American selection after throwing for over 3,000 yards and 32 touchdowns. Saw limited action in five games as a true freshman in 2009, completing 32-of-49 passes for 309 yards (65.3 percent) with one touchdown and one interception while playing through a broken fifth metatarsal in his left foot for part of the season. Took over as the starter in ’10 and tossed 241-372-2,763-24-7 (64.8) in 13 starts. Was the first West Virginia QB in 12 years to throw for over 2,500 yards in a season. Garnered heavy recognition for ’11 season, setting the Big East Conference and school mark for passing yards with 346-526-4,385-31-7 (65.8), in addition to becoming the first Mountaineer QB in history and only the second Big East player to surpass 4,000 yards in a season in 13 starts. Named Orange Bowl MVP after throwing for 407 yards and six touchdowns against Clemson. Set the school record and led the Big 12 Conference in touchdown passes in ’12 after tossing 369-518-4,205-42-6 (a conference-leading 71.2) in 13 starts. Threw for 656 yards and eight touchdowns in a 70-63 shootout victory against Baylor. Had a 26-13 record in 39 career starts.

Positives: Has a strong arm and can rifle the ball with good velocity into tight windows. Can throw with accuracy on the move and layer the deep ball. Good overall accuracy, ball placement and touch, especially on the fade route. Throws a very catchable ball — spins it tightly. Good escapability — can sidestep the rush, find an open throwing window and extend plays with his feet when needed. Outstanding straight-line speed — clocked the best 40-yard time (4.56 seconds) and broad jump (10-foot-4) of any quarterback at the Combine. Very durable, experienced, three-year starter — overcame an average offensive line, has never missed any time to injury and will play through pain.

Negatives: Operated an offense where he received adjustments from the sidelines and was often out of sync with receivers. Average field vision and coverage recognition — forces throws and does not work through progressions. Takes unnecessary sacks and does not feel pressure well. Not an elusive scrambler. Shaky lower-body mechanics — does not stand tall in the pocket (crouches, hops, dances and elevates to his toes when he throws). Has pin legs and bad pocket posture. Operated almost exclusively from the gun. Not a student of the game. Nonchalant field presence — does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire. Mild practice demeanor — no urgency. Not committed or focused — marginal work ethic. Interviewed poorly at the Combine and did not show an understanding of concepts on the white board. Opted not to compete at the Senior Bowl and has approached offseason training as if he has already arrived and it shows in his body with minimal muscle definition or strength. Has small hands and glaring ball security issues (32 career fumbles). Really struggled handling the snow in Pinstripe Bowl (took two safeties) and will be troubled by the elements. Needed to be coddled in college — cannot handle hard coaching.

Summary: Started the season red-hot with the help of two playmaking receivers and created a national stir generating a lot of overexcitement in the scouting community. Quickly came down to earth after Kansas State disguised coverages and brought pressure he could not handle and he finished dropping six of his final eight games. A cross between Akili Smith and Aaron Brooks, Smith is a gimmick, overhyped product of the system lacking the football savvy, work habits and focus to cement a starting job and could drain energy from a QB room. Will be overdrafted and struggle to produce against NFL defensive complexities.

NFL projection: Top-50 pick.

[stevieray]

..can't fall if you weren't ever near the top.....

[Rain Man]

Great post by suzzer in #310. It shows how hard it is to get a franchise quarterback. Alternately, it shows why a team should plan to continually invest draft picks in quarterbacks. You're going to miss on a lot of them, so you have to draft a lot of them.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Great post by suzzer in #310. It shows how hard it is to get a franchise quarterback. Alternately, it shows why a team should plan to continually invest draft picks in quarterbacks. You're going to miss on a lot of them, so you have to draft a lot of them.

It also shows that teams need to evaluate them properly. Taking bust after bust will set your franchise back or keep it from getting out of the cellar. It's about evaluations and getting them right and then making the pick. Play the odds and take chance is a losers game.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by philfree

It also shows that teams need to evaluate them properly. Taking bust after bust will set your franchise back or keep it from getting out of the cellar. It's about evaluations and getting them right and then making the pick. Play the odds and take chance is a losers game.

It also screams "THE CHIEFS SUCK AT DRAFTING"

[philfree]

Originally Posted by ptlyon

It also screams "THE CHIEFS SUCK AT DRAFTING"

They may suck, they may suck at drafting but it isn't because they didn't reach for shitty QBs.