LJ's Problem

Jilly · 10-09-2006, 01:55 PM

This may have been addressed in another thread and if so, point me there... But, what do you think LJ's problem is this year?

Is it that he isn't running angry?
Is it that Herm's loudly proclaimed our offense to be a running offense and so it's predictable?
Is it that we have no good lead blocker?
Is it that we miss Willie Roaf?

I'm sure it's a combo, but...what do you think?

CupidStunt · 10-09-2006, 02:03 PM

All of the above plus the interior line is blocking line dogsh*t, every single one of them, especially Wiegmann.

StcChief · 10-09-2006, 02:03 PM

Opponent's D are stacking the box (8 in) against our weaker O line. Huard needs to burn 'em a few times.
Shots down field.

LJ Fumbles?????

Game plan better to use LJ/ TE's in flat more.
the last LJ catch/run that saved the game example.

jidar · 10-09-2006, 02:06 PM

Well our passing threat level is way down, and our tackles have problems so the outside run isn't as effective. What does that leave? Stack the middle.

We're much much easier to gameplan for than we were at the end of last year.

**noa** · 10-09-2006, 02:06 PM

I think the loss of Willie Roaf really hurts. We can't run stretch plays or toss plays to the left, which used to be our bread and butter. Without that as a viable option, the defense knows it can key in on stopping the run up the gut. Basically, our options are more limited in the running game, which always makes it easier for an opposing defense.

Sorce · 10-09-2006, 02:50 PM

Opponents I think are commiting to LJ. They are basically saying we're gonna make Huard beat us. It's exactly what I would do as the opposition in that situation, make the backup have to throw. Fortunately for us Huard has been solid.

Jilly · 10-09-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorce

Opponents I think are commiting to LJ. They are basically saying we're gonna make Huard beat us. It's exactly what I would do as the opposition in that situation, make the backup have to throw. Fortunately for us Huard has been solid.

He has been solid - although one of those games (Denver), I would argue he wasn't challenged enough. And the Arizona game his receivers couldn't catch crap. If we are going to have Huard make the big plays to throw off the d and be unpredictable, we have to have receivers that can catch the big passes. I thought Sammie Parker could do that - maybe he was just having a bad game. I also agree with whoever said it earlier, we have to use Larry, not just in running, since opponents are committing to him, but in the flat, etc. etc....

I think my big concern is that in the past, I've always seen Larry push himself through, break tackles that looked impossible, because he seemed motivated enough to do so...but I just haven't seen that this year at all.

Rising Sun · 10-09-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jilly

He has been solid - although one of those games (Denver), I would argue he wasn't challenged enough. And the Arizona game his receivers couldn't catch crap. If we are going to have Huard make the big plays to throw off the d and be unpredictable, we have to have receivers that can catch the big passes. I thought Sammie Parker could do that - maybe he was just having a bad game. I also agree with whoever said it earlier, we have to use Larry, not just in running, since opponents are committing to him, but in the flat, etc. etc....

I think my big concern is that in the past, I've always seen Larry push himself through, break tackles that looked impossible, because he seemed motivated enough to do so...but I just haven't seen that this year at all.

Its not lack of motivation. Last year he got his momentum going, which helped him break tackles. Hes taking too many hits in the backfield, which doesnt allow him to get going.

Calcountry · 10-09-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jilly

He has been solid - although one of those games (Denver), I would argue he wasn't challenged enough. And the Arizona game his receivers couldn't catch crap. If we are going to have Huard make the big plays to throw off the d and be unpredictable, we have to have receivers that can catch the big passes. I thought Sammie Parker could do that - maybe he was just having a bad game. I also agree with whoever said it earlier, we have to use Larry, not just in running, since opponents are committing to him, but in the flat, etc. etc....

I think my big concern is that in the past, I've always seen Larry push himself through, break tackles that looked impossible, because he seemed motivated enough to do so...but I just haven't seen that this year at all.

Why not Play action pass, with a good fake, ON FIRST DOWN.

Some times the fake by Huard yesterday wouldn't fool a 5 year old trick or treating, he would still be standing there waiting for the candy, as in, you didn't put enough, if anything in the bag, so I am like not going anywhere until you do.

First down play action pass, with a good fake, got to work on that fake Huard AND LJ. Huard needs to carry out the fake when he DOES hand the ball of to LJ better as well.

Absolutely critical that we establish a good play action pass game, see Steve Deberg for more information on this subject.

Rising Sun · 10-09-2006, 02:58 PM

Our offense is conservative. We dont stretch the field, which allows teams to play 8 and 9 in the box. We run very little misdirection, allowing teams to overpersue to the point off attack. We try to run to set up the pass, but in the modern day of football and the sheer speed that linebackers have, it would be beneficial IMO to pass to set up the run. We also need to quit calling draw plays in obvious situations. There is no element of surprise in our offense. We have become too predictable.

Deberg_1990 · 10-09-2006, 04:34 PM

I blame George Bush!

Calcountry · 10-09-2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I blame George Bush!

I blame Halliburton.

bringbackmarty · 10-10-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

I blame Halliburton.

same damnn thing.

InChiefsHeaven · 10-10-2006, 11:30 AM

Somehow, his head is not it the game either. He's fumbled STUPIDLY in 2 games now, both pretty critical situations. Denver game is a W (probably...)if he does not fumble there. Also, he was pretty much soley responsible for the early sack on Huard with the wiff block against AZ. As soon as I saw play action, I was like, OK LJ, you need to block...he got smoked.

As good as he is a runner, he still has some mental issues and some blocking issues. Add to that TRich is gone, Roaf and Welborne not blocking, and I think we are seeing that LJ has the potential to be...ordinary...unless he can get his head out of his arse...

...not throwing him under the bus, btw. That play where he was facemasked gave me hope (before the facemask, of course). He's still there, but he's got to get his head in it.

Rising Sun · 10-10-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Somehow, his head is not it the game either. He's fumbled STUPIDLY in 2 games now, both pretty critical situations. Denver game is a W (probably...)if he does not fumble there. Also, he was pretty much soley responsible for the early sack on Huard with the wiff block against AZ. As soon as I saw play action, I was like, OK LJ, you need to block...he got smoked.

As good as he is a runner, he still has some mental issues and some blocking issues. Add to that TRich is gone, Roaf and Welborne not blocking, and I think we are seeing that LJ has the potential to be...ordinary...unless he can get his head out of his arse...

...not throwing him under the bus, btw. That play where he was facemasked gave me hope (before the facemask, of course). He's still there, but he's got to get his head in it.

A fumble does in no way mean that your head isnt it in the game. Sometimes the defense just makes a good play on the ball, like in his second fumble. Theres no excuse for the first fumble, but i would be willing to bet he was in a big hurry because he was surprised that noone was in the backfield to hit him as he took the handoff.

We didnt lose the denver game because LJ fumbled. The game never got away from us. The reason we lost to denver was because our offense went in a shell at the end, because Herm is conservative. When you go on the road and play not to lose, your surely not going to win, and thats exactly what happened at denver, no way around it.

10-09-2006, 01:55 PM	Topic Starter
Jilly MVP Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $10004925	LJ's Problem This may have been addressed in another thread and if so, point me there... But, what do you think LJ's problem is this year? Is it that he isn't running angry? Is it that Herm's loudly proclaimed our offense to be a running offense and so it's predictable? Is it that we have no good lead blocker? Is it that we miss Willie Roaf? I'm sure it's a combo, but...what do you think?
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10-09-2006, 02:03 PM	#2
CupidStunt offense > defense Join Date: Jul 2005 Casino cash: $2513332	All of the above plus the interior line is blocking line dogsh*t, every single one of them, especially Wiegmann.
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10-09-2006, 02:03 PM	#3
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10-09-2006, 02:06 PM	#4
jidar MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: a Casino cash: $10004900	Well our passing threat level is way down, and our tackles have problems so the outside run isn't as effective. What does that leave? Stack the middle. We're much much easier to gameplan for than we were at the end of last year.
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10-09-2006, 02:06 PM	#5
noa Band Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $1585453	I think the loss of Willie Roaf really hurts. We can't run stretch plays or toss plays to the left, which used to be our bread and butter. Without that as a viable option, the defense knows it can key in on stopping the run up the gut. Basically, our options are more limited in the running game, which always makes it easier for an opposing defense. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes, well, he eats you.
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10-09-2006, 02:50 PM	#6
Sorce Veteran Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $6418777	Opponents I think are commiting to LJ. They are basically saying we're gonna make Huard beat us. It's exactly what I would do as the opposition in that situation, make the backup have to throw. Fortunately for us Huard has been solid.
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10-09-2006, 02:58 PM	#10
Rising Sun Starter Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Our offense is conservative. We dont stretch the field, which allows teams to play 8 and 9 in the box. We run very little misdirection, allowing teams to overpersue to the point off attack. We try to run to set up the pass, but in the modern day of football and the sheer speed that linebackers have, it would be beneficial IMO to pass to set up the run. We also need to quit calling draw plays in obvious situations. There is no element of surprise in our offense. We have become too predictable.
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10-09-2006, 04:34 PM	#11
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10-10-2006, 11:30 AM	#14
InChiefsHeaven Rockin' yer FACE OFF! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Casino cash: $3864937	Somehow, his head is not it the game either. He's fumbled STUPIDLY in 2 games now, both pretty critical situations. Denver game is a W (probably...)if he does not fumble there. Also, he was pretty much soley responsible for the early sack on Huard with the wiff block against AZ. As soon as I saw play action, I was like, OK LJ, you need to block...he got smoked. As good as he is a runner, he still has some mental issues and some blocking issues. Add to that TRich is gone, Roaf and Welborne not blocking, and I think we are seeing that LJ has the potential to be...ordinary...unless he can get his head out of his arse... ...not throwing him under the bus, btw. That play where he was facemasked gave me hope (before the facemask, of course). He's still there, but he's got to get his head in it. __________________ We have a million reasons for failure, but not one excuse... Die Donks, DIE!! Holy Crap fellas!!! We did it!!! THREE TIMES!!!
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