Chiefs Albert/Joeckel perspective - Page 14

**cdcox** · 04-18-2013, 11:01 PM

How would you feel if the Chiefs had the #2 overall pick and packaged it and Albert for Joeckel? Because that's what the Chiefs are on the brink of doing.

#1 pick = 3000 points
#54 pick = 360 points

difference is 2640 points

#2 pick is worth 2600 points

Chiefs are going to invest 3000 - 360 = 2640 points to replace Albert with Joeckel. It could be a good deal for the Chiefs if 1) Albert is out of the league in two years, 2) Jockel is a HOFer and 3) the alternatives (like Geno) don't have very good careers.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-19-2013, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I've stated repeatedly that I would LOVE for the Chiefs to grab Nassib, Bray, Barkley - whomever - in the second or third round and develop him.

But the Geno Mafia twists my words into "not wanting a QB". It's ****ing bullshit.

No offense, but because it's ****ing stupid.

Why take a less talented QB like Nassib or Bray when you can take the best QB in the class and develop him?

Pass on Geno or Barkley, (you're not getting Barkley in R2) but spend a pick on a guy that needs more work, and has a higher bust factor...

Makes zero sense.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-19-2013, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No offense, but because it's ****ing stupid.

Why take a less talented QB like Nassib or Bray when you can take the best QB in the class and develop him?

Pass on Geno or Barkley, (you're not getting Barkley in R2) but spend a pick on a guy that needs more work, and has a higher bust factor...

Makes zero sense.

Sorry, that's just the way I see it. I think a guy like Nassib or Barkley or Bray, under the tuteledge of Andy Ried for a few years, would likely pay more dividends than drafting Geno Smith at 1.1 and forcing him to start from Day One.

**SAUTO** · 04-19-2013, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Repeating from which talking heads? What the **** is wrong with you?

When have I EVER repeated something from a media source?

And I'm not going to ask again nicely, ****head. Shut the **** about it. It's MY opinion, cockbreath.

I'm not flipping YOU shit because I disagree with YOU, am I? I can, mother****er.

Well firstly asshole. You haven't even watched Geno play.

You are just going by what the talking heads say.

You are flipping EVERYONE shit because you disagree with them dude.

And you can ask nicely out even be mean about it but I will not shut up about it.

Don't like it?

what are you going to do about it?
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duncan_idaho · 04-19-2013, 05:10 PM

I originally posted this on another thread, but for any who missed it:

The "Why we don't draft QBs in the first" excuse cycle:

Step 1: Acquire another team's backup QB to be your new starter. Point to his potential and ability to be a leader and keep the team in games. Ignore his inability to WIN games.

Step 2: With a high 1st-round pick, insist there is no QB worthy of that high pick and that it is best to wait until later in the draft and get a similar QB at better value.
- 2A: After all worthwhile QBs go off the board between 1st and 2nd round picks, again point to value and draft BPA.
- 2B: Continue 2A until drafting a Ricky Stanzi/Pat Barnes in Round 5 or later

Step 3: Say you will wait until next year to draft a QB in the 1st and develop a franchise guy.

Step 4: Slog to somewhere between 7-10 wins and talk up how "competitive" your season was and how "close" the team is.

Step 5: When next year comes, watch in feigned dismay as all the "good" QBs go off the board before your pick. Sigh, sell "BPA available" and draft for that, saying "We're too close to winning something big to reach on a QB at this pick. Other needs must be addressed. We'll get a similar QB later at a better value."
- Step 5a: Again watch in dismay as no similar QBs are available by the next pick. Again draft BPA.
- Step 5B: Rinse and repeat 5A until eventually arriving at 2B.

Step 6: Talk up previously acquired backup QB, now-starter and how much talent you've added in the draft around him. Reference "weapons" and "chunks."

Step 7: Repeat Steps 5-6 for 2-3 more years, then reset at Step 1.

**SAUTO** · 04-19-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Sorry, that's just the way I see it. I think a guy like Nassib or Barkley or Bray, under the tuteledge of Andy Ried for a few years, would likely pay more dividends than drafting Geno Smith at 1.1 and forcing him to start from Day One.

who had said start Geno day one here?

Everyone in this thread understands Alex is going to start this year.

You are making an argument that doesn't exist
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patteeu · 04-19-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

But the Geno Mafia twists my words into "not wanting a QB". It's ****ing bullshit.

I'm not sure they can stop doing it. I think it's a part of their blood oath.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-19-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Sorry, that's just the way I see it. I think a guy like Nassib or Barkley or Bray, under the tuteledge of Andy Ried for a few years, would likely pay more dividends than drafting Geno Smith at 1.1 and forcing him to start from Day One.

Jesus Christ, dude - he wouldn't start from Day One. They wasted a pick on Alex Smith.

He can sit for a year. Wouldn't be the first QB taken high in the draft to do so.

If you're going to develop a guy, develop the BEST guy. Not some slapdick.

**SAUTO** · 04-19-2013, 05:11 PM

And I don't see why too need to make it personal dude.

But I guess that's the way you like it
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duncan_idaho · 04-19-2013, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No offense, but because it's ****ing stupid.

Why take a less talented QB like Nassib or Bray when you can take the best QB in the class and develop him?

Pass on Geno or Barkley, (you're not getting Barkley in R2) but spend a pick on a guy that needs more work, and has a higher bust factor...

Makes zero sense.

This quarterback class is terrible!

No QB worth No. 1 overall!

Better off spending No. 32 overall on the 4th or 5th guy!

Better off spending No. 61 overall on the 7th or 8th best guy!

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-19-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

who had said start Geno day one here?

Everyone in this thread understands Alex is going to start this year.

You are making an argument that doesn't exist
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Beat me to it.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-19-2013, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Well firstly asshole. You haven't even watched Geno play.

Right. I'm lying.

JFC.

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

You are just going by what the talking heads say.

And you are dumber than ****.

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

You are flipping EVERYONE shit because you disagree with them dude.

Really? Where have I done that in this thread? Where have I personally called anyone out for their opinion on Geno Smith?

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

And you can ask nicely out even be mean about it but I will not shut up about it.

Don't like it?

what are you going to do about it?
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Well, I guess I'll do exactly what you accused me of doing: I'll flip you a massive amount of shit. Deal?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-19-2013, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I originally posted this on another thread, but for any who missed it:

The "Why we don't draft QBs in the first" excuse cycle:

Step 1: Acquire another team's backup QB to be your new starter. Point to his potential and ability to be a leader and keep the team in games. Ignore his inability to WIN games.

Step 2: With a high 1st-round pick, insist there is no QB worthy of that high pick and that it is best to wait until later in the draft and get a similar QB at better value.
- 2A: After all worthwhile QBs go off the board between 1st and 2nd round picks, again point to value and draft BPA.
- 2B: Continue 1A until drafting a Ricky Stanzi/Pat Barnes in Round 5 or later

Step 3: Say you will wait until next year to draft a QB in the 1st and develop a franchise guy.

Step 4: Slog to somewhere between 7-10 wins and talk up how "competitive" your season was and how "close" the team is.

Step 5: When next year comes, watch in feigned dismay as all the "good" QBs go off the board before your pick. Sigh, sell "BPA available" and draft for that, saying "We're too close to winning something big to reach on a QB at this pick. Other needs must be addressed. We'll get a similar QB later at a better value."
- Step 5a: Again watch in dismay as no similar QBs are available by the next pick. Again draft BPA.
- Step 5B: Rinse and repeat 5A until eventually arriving at 1B.

Step 6: Talk up previously acquired backup QB, now-starter and how much talent you've added in the draft around him. Reference "weapons" and "chunks."

Step 7: Repeat Steps 5-6 for 2-3 more years, then reset at Step 1.

Jesus. This is spot-****ing-on.

Rep.

**SAUTO** · 04-19-2013, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Arm strength, size, age.

Yeah that one year makes a huge difference
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**DaneMcCloud** · 04-19-2013, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

And I don't see why too need to make it personal dude.

But I guess that's the way you like it
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**** you, Jason. You made it personal when you accused me of lying, Asshole.

Go stick a tie rod up your ass.

Pasta Little Brioni · 04-19-2013, 05:14 PM

Compensation wise a 1st and a 2nd is NOTHING when it comes to QB's. Hell we get the vet mentor AND the best QB in the class for that...The Faid got Carson Palmer.

04-18-2013, 11:01 PM
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $2341769	Albert/Joeckel perspective How would you feel if the Chiefs had the #2 overall pick and packaged it and Albert for Joeckel? Because that's what the Chiefs are on the brink of doing. #1 pick = 3000 points #54 pick = 360 points difference is 2640 points #2 pick is worth 2600 points Chiefs are going to invest 3000 - 360 = 2640 points to replace Albert with Joeckel. It could be a good deal for the Chiefs if 1) Albert is out of the league in two years, 2) Jockel is a HOFer and 3) the alternatives (like Geno) don't have very good careers.
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04-19-2013, 05:10 PM	#199
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1740308	I originally posted this on another thread, but for any who missed it: The "Why we don't draft QBs in the first" excuse cycle: Step 1: Acquire another team's backup QB to be your new starter. Point to his potential and ability to be a leader and keep the team in games. Ignore his inability to WIN games. Step 2: With a high 1st-round pick, insist there is no QB worthy of that high pick and that it is best to wait until later in the draft and get a similar QB at better value. - 2A: After all worthwhile QBs go off the board between 1st and 2nd round picks, again point to value and draft BPA. - 2B: Continue 2A until drafting a Ricky Stanzi/Pat Barnes in Round 5 or later Step 3: Say you will wait until next year to draft a QB in the 1st and develop a franchise guy. Step 4: Slog to somewhere between 7-10 wins and talk up how "competitive" your season was and how "close" the team is. Step 5: When next year comes, watch in feigned dismay as all the "good" QBs go off the board before your pick. Sigh, sell "BPA available" and draft for that, saying "We're too close to winning something big to reach on a QB at this pick. Other needs must be addressed. We'll get a similar QB later at a better value." - Step 5a: Again watch in dismay as no similar QBs are available by the next pick. Again draft BPA. - Step 5B: Rinse and repeat 5A until eventually arriving at 2B. Step 6: Talk up previously acquired backup QB, now-starter and how much talent you've added in the draft around him. Reference "weapons" and "chunks." Step 7: Repeat Steps 5-6 for 2-3 more years, then reset at Step 1. __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $3968880	Compensation wise a 1st and a 2nd is NOTHING when it comes to QB's. Hell we get the vet mentor AND the best QB in the class for that...The Faid got Carson Palmer. __________________ **Official TFWdemB Trivia Commisioner**
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