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why Chiefs WRs have 0 TDs

Because when Dwayne Bowe is the clear-cut #1 (and it's not even close), you have a terrible WR corps.

Please feel free to post any .gifs of 2014 Chiefs WRs dropping passes that hit them squarely in the hands/chest and/or stepping out of bounds with a clear path to the end zone in front of them.
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Old 10-21-2014, 07:53 PM   #151
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It's great. He's lead a very efficient offense this year. It's hard to argue.

I'm just wondering how sustainable this success is without using the entire field.
Yup. Agree with that.
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Old 10-21-2014, 08:04 PM   #152
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Jenkins wasn't open at all. At best you can say Bowe was open. But Jenkins? Hell no. YOu can't even see the defender. From that angle, if Jenkins had a step, you would absolutely be able to see seperation.
He's open to the post. He's got the inside shoulder of the corner and has all the leverage.

That's open.
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Old 10-21-2014, 08:08 PM   #153
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It's also worth noting that with Avery out there's no legit deep threat.

The WCO is about completing passes and expecting the pass catcher to gain YAC. We don't have any playmakers at WR that can do that right now. Other than Kelcee there's a bunch of catching the ball and going down almost immediately which isn't want you want out of a WCO...
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Old 10-21-2014, 10:42 PM   #154
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It's also worth noting that with Avery out there's no legit deep threat.
Avery is a 'legit deep threat'??
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Old 10-22-2014, 02:02 AM   #155
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Old 10-22-2014, 06:56 AM   #156
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Avery is a 'legit deep threat'??
Ball has to be perfect. Avery's a lot like Ted Ginn Jr. They can get behind coverage.. but they suck at tracking the ball, staying balanced on their deep route, high-pointing anything except the stop-turn-jump-ball.. can't win the contested passes over the shoulder if coverage is up the ass.. can't out-muscle physical coverage on the slants either.
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Ball has to be perfect. Avery's a lot like Ted Ginn Jr. They can get behind coverage.. but they suck at tracking the ball, staying balanced on their deep route, high-pointing anything except the stop-turn-jump-ball.. can't win the contested passes over the shoulder if coverage is up the ass.. can't out-muscle physical coverage on the slants either.
He can drop the pass after all that happens, too.
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He wasn't anywhere near open.
If AJ is covered by 1 guy 25-30 yards down the field, it might as well be 3 guys. He sucks.
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If AJ is covered by 1 guy 25-30 yards down the field, it might as well be 3 guys. He sucks.
Amen. If there's a defender on the field, then Jenkins is covered. And Smith knows it.
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Amen. If there's a defender on the field, then Jenkins is covered. And Smith knows it.
With a guy like Calvin Johnson in that exact situation? Sure... chuck it up and see what happens.

With a guy like AJJ? not a good idea. I mean, if AJJ had even a step on the CB, maybe take the shot.. but the CB was basically melded into him. AJJ is not going to come down with that ball.
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We have Bowe.

Then we have a bunch of threes and fours and guys who should be sitting at home... thats why theres no receiver with a touchdown yet.
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We have Bowe.

Then we have a bunch of threes and fours and guys who should be sitting at home... thats why theres no receiver with a touchdown yet.
So we have 1 2 on a good week a 3 when Avery is healthy well call Jenkins/Hemingway 4s and the rest practice squad candidates.
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I still contend that the WR's are getting open.

Take this single play for instance. Jenkins is NFL open deep down the field. Bowe is open albeit the middle lber is following the qbs eyes
Great pic, and I remember that play. Thought for sure Alex was gonna go to that poco. Looks like a 'scissors' concept up top, deep post clearing out a poco underneath it. JC leaking to the flat. 'curl/flat' combo on the bottom of screen. I believe there is a defender running with that deep post (hard to see in pic), but the poco looks open, as well as options with the curl/flat.
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So we have 1 2 on a good week a 3 when Avery is healthy well call Jenkins/Hemingway 4s and the rest practice squad candidates.
Looking forward to seeing what kind of receivers are available in the draft and free agency, thats for damn sure.

With 11 picks and some money to burn its easy to expect some major moves.
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Great pic, and I remember that play. Thought for sure Alex was gonna go to that poco. Looks like a 'scissors' concept up top, deep post clearing out a poco underneath it. JC leaking to the flat. 'curl/flat' combo on the bottom of screen. I believe there is a defender running with that deep post (hard to see in pic), but the poco looks open, as well as options with the curl/flat.
Yep, although looking at kelce, it looks like the flat defender does a good job of undercutting it waiting for the pick, so I'd imagine that's why he pulled it doen. Would take a really elite throw to get it over there.

I still contend that the post is open. He's not running free, but he's on top of the wr with leverage. If you lay it out therr towards the post or back pylon, the defender has to either run thru the wr or tackle him to get to the ball. Alot of good outcomes come therr that outweigh the bad
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