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Old 05-06-2013, 07:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-06-2013, 03:08 PM   #301
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With that logic, you couldn't criticize any move any team made.
No one would have much of a beef with the critics of the Alex Smith trade if you guys just said you don't have any confidence in him and that you think it's a waste of draft picks.

Instead, the critics typically go way beyond that to declare Alex Smith DOA and to accuse anyone who even wants to take a wait and see position on the trade of being happy with mediocrity.
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Old 05-06-2013, 03:11 PM   #302
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Most cases I would agree, but in Bray's case, it's a little different.

He was a 3rd round predicted guy, that fell due to "issues". Hell, some people actually had him as the best QB in this class. Not sure that says something about Bray, or this class as a whole.
Sure, I get what you're saying. But my take would be that if the Chiefs really saw enough in Bray to "like him as the future" in any real sense of the phrase, they would have spent a draft pick on him, if for no other reason than to gain control of him. Given Bray's physical gifts, I'll amend my position and say that he's like a lottery ticket where you're spotted the powerball number.
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Old 05-06-2013, 03:12 PM   #303
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Sure, I get what you're saying. But my take would be that if the Chiefs really saw enough in Bray to "like him as the future" in any real sense of the phrase, they would have spent a draft pick on him, if for no other reason than to gain control of him. Given Bray's physical gifts, I'll amend my position and say that he's like a lottery ticket where you're spotted the powerball number.
Yep. He must have been really terrible mentally to not get drafted at all. 7th rounders are basically a throwaway.
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Old 05-06-2013, 03:14 PM   #304
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We have two options...either go 7-9 or worse, or win at least one playoff game. Anything else is total fail.
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Old 05-06-2013, 03:18 PM   #305
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If we go 10-6, win a playoff game, I'd say it was money well spent.
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Unless it turns into a catastrophe or an unmistakable success, I think giving this trade a final grade after one year will be premature. In all likelihood, Alex Smith will get extended and be the Chiefs QB for at least the next 2-3 years.
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Old 05-06-2013, 03:24 PM   #307
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No one would have much of a beef with the critics of the Alex Smith trade if you guys just said you don't have any confidence in him and that you think it's a waste of draft picks.
I've done that.

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Instead, the critics typically go way beyond that to declare Alex Smith DOA and to accuse anyone who even wants to take a wait and see position on the trade of being happy with mediocrity.
I haven't done any of that.
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If we go 10-6, win a playoff game, I'd say it was money well spent.
If I buy a lottery ticket and I win, I'd say it was money well spent.
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Unless it turns into a catastrophe or an unmistakable success, I think giving this trade a final grade after one year will be premature. In all likelihood, Alex Smith will get extended and be the Chiefs QB for at least the next 2-3 years.
I don't think he's extended until next offseason, if he is, so you'll likely know by then.
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Old 05-06-2013, 03:27 PM   #310
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If I buy a lottery ticket and I win, I'd say it was money well spent.
That isn't really the same thing.

Most thought this was a borderline playoff team with the talent last year. We upgraded this offseason.

I don't see why we can't be a playoff team. If we aren't, this move was obviously the wrong move.
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That isn't really the same thing.

Most thought this was a borderline playoff team with the talent last year. We upgraded this offseason.

I don't see why we can't be a playoff team. If we aren't, this move was obviously the wrong move.
If we were a borderline playoff team last year then adding a 29 year old QB should make us a lock for the playoffs and maybe a playoff win.

We're neither. That's why this trade was stupid.
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If we were a borderline playoff team last year then adding a 29 year old QB should make us a lock for the playoffs and maybe a playoff win.

We're neither. That's why this trade was stupid.
Sure.


But judging by what they gave up, it looks like the FO think they are or they have a chance to be.

So, I'm going to have the same expectation I guess, I dunno, I'm just not going to get too awful worked up about it. I'll just be happy to see meaningful football in KC where we could/will actually beat good teams and the chance to win in the playoffs.
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No one would have much of a beef with the critics of the Alex Smith trade if you guys just said you don't have any confidence in him and that you think it's a waste of draft picks.

Instead, the critics typically go way beyond that to declare Alex Smith DOA and to accuse anyone who even wants to take a wait and see position on the trade of being happy with mediocrity.
I think many of us critics hope like heck that we are wrong! I sure do!

I have tried repeatedly to remain positive when they keep doing the same darn thing over and over again.

Pretty soon you have to look the horse right in the mouth and say, damn, you are not winning the Kentucky Derby as a Shetland Pony no matter how much I like you.
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hate to be pessimistic but this trade was ****ing stupid

it sets up for 8-8, losing another second rounder

why the **** did we not just walk away if 2.1 in 2013 wasnt enough?

It seems like we gave up the booty way to easy to me...
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Old 05-06-2013, 03:40 PM   #315
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You don't trade 2 2nds for a QB that isn't in your long term plans. Alex Smith is their guy the same was Cassel was Belichick's penis entrance's.

And you know he's not how?
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