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Wow. Was he in the wrong?
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well I'm relieved that that Mr. Horn killed one of them, too bad he couldn't get the other one. I hope Joe Horn doesn't get in too much trouble or any for that matter. Something needs to happen with all of these low-life criminals that damage this society.
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He will also likely be a party to a wrongful death civil suit where, if he has homeowner's liabilty insurance, the insurance company will be trying to avoid coverage because he committed an intentional criminal act. They might also argue that he shot from his property at the two burglars when those two were not on his property, which is probably true. Mr. Horn fucked his own life up, by being stupid enough to think like you. You ought to go ahead and follow in his footsteps. It really is not impossible for you to find a burglary suspect and for you to do the same heroic thing as Mr. Horn. Go ahead and make your day.
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Obviously this dumbass has never seen Southpark ... otherwise he'd know that all you have to do is yell "they're heading right for us!" and then it's a-ok to start blasting.
The issue that people are skirting is that when an authority figure gives people permission to do bad things to other people, there's a substantial percentage who will take every opportunity to do it unless they are tightly controlled. It's the reason why police-related shootings are tightly investigated ... police have the right to use deadly force, so there has to be strict oversight. Cases like this are the reason why immunity statutes are a bad idea. By having prosecutors and juries ultimately decide if a shooting is justified, you look at the totality of the facts to determine whether or not a shooter was acting reasonably. Otherwise dumbasses like this guy will think they have carte blanche to start executing people for crimes against someone else's property. All that said, when all the facts come out this shooting might have been justifiable self-defense ... but automatically deciding the issue just because the burglars were "bad guys" isn't a workable legal system. |
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If you're stupid enough to keep getting into trouble you're stupid enough to suffer the consequences...if he's stupid enough to rob a house while still on parole/probation then he deserves what is coming to him. Bumber deal for his wife and kid that have to suffer, but the wife is the one who choose to marry and have a kid with the guy. So I would say that her choice wasn't that bright either...bumber deal that she has to live with her unwise choice. Hopefully she will learn from this and start making better choices for herself. |
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One less thieving scumbag in the world. You should be able to shoot them for sport. God knows they enjoy shooting law-abiding citizens for sport. Should Horn have known better than to do this? Sure, in this pussy-whipped day and age, absolutely. But IMO, the only thing he did wrong was telegraph his intentions to the fucking police (who, of course, would NOT have showed up in time to stop the thieves). He should have just popped the fuckers and said they were coming after him.
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I have just been reminded what it is about whiny ass weak tea sucking commie shitbags that I don't like. Jettio has his panties in a bunch because someone defended himself with a gun. Jettio is one of those ultra liberal pissants who HATES the second Amendment but claims to not have a problem with enacted laws.
The guy said "NO, you're dead.". That would indicate a response to something like "You are dead old man". The guy defended his life which is perfectly legal (not to mention justifiable considering he was outnumbered 2-1 by men 40 years his junior and obviously not of the best moral fibre). Keep making victims of the perps "counselor".
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This reminds me of a story i read no more than a few days ago, i believe it was in California...north of Frisco, where 3 men broke into a home containing a man, his wife & her son.
They beat the son with a baseball bat so bad that he is now brain damaged & in a special care home, unable to feed himself. At some point the homeowner managed to get ahold of his gun & kill 2 of the perps as the other one ran. They didnt have their backs to him or anything of the sort, they were still in the act. So what happens???...the leader of the NAACP in Frisco decries this terrible action..."these "boys" didnt deserve to die like that" & the mother of one is up in arms about it with the press. Oh those poor, poor "boys"...out robbing people & nearly beating one to death. Am i really supposed to feel bad here???...F&CK those MOTHERF&CKERS...play with matches...get burned. |
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Have you listened to this video? I was listening to this on CNN and it is ridiculous. I honestly think this guy should get AT LEAST the most severe manslaughter chargers. He had intent to kill these guys. He was on the phone with 911, they told him repeatedly to not go out. Yet he's like no this isn't right. He even says he IS GOING to kill them. He tells the 911 he has a shotgun and is going to shoot both of them. After 911 tells him not to go out there about FIFTY times, he goes out there and says..
"If you move you are dead" They apparently move and he shoots them. What a ****ing hillbilly. Not saying these guys were in the right, but come one, shooting them to kill? They were not trying to inflict physical harm on anybody. This wasn't even his OWN HOUSE. He didn't even know these neighbors, and he was not in fear of his own life. He instigated the WHOLE ENTIRE conflict once he went outside with a freaking gun. He watched long and hard with DIRECTION from a 911 aid, yet he still premeditates this. I would think much differently if you unknownly saw somebody suddenly break into your own room, but this call from this guy just makes me sick.
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BUT, how many robbers only hit ONE house. Also, what is the likelihood that the robbers would have robbed his house? my opinion, pretty likely. It's even been said that the robbers were in his yard (property) and within 15 ft of his porch...I believe. Should he have stayed in his house, my opinion says yes. But there are a lot of people out there, me included, that believe in helping thy neighbor and protecting what is morally right. I believe, VERY MUCH, in the "Golden Rule". So, to me, I'm glad that the guy did this world a favor and think it's sad that he will most likely be tried in some sort of court guilty of premeditated murder of some sort. BUT on the other hand I believe that he could have, and probably should have, given the proper authorities the needed descriptions as best he could and let the proper authorities taken care of the issue. I believe that he could then say he did his best without further escalating the situation until someone got killed. Then it would rely fully on the law enforcement, and not him, to take the law into his own hands. So I see it both ways. BUT I lean more towards the "I'm glad he did it." because the guy was already on probation yet he still made the choice to burglarize a house. Come on!!! seriously! Teh guy was headed down the road to death anyway. Better to have someone that has morals and feels bad about killing him than someone that doesn't give a sh*t "Shim" him and/or kill him in prison. |
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Horn went way over the line and should do some time. The two scumbags that were killed should be doing time, not six foot under. It sounds like Horn is just some gun ho dipshit who watched too many old westerns.
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I have not posted anything sympathetic to the burglars, you can give "Mr. I am so sorry that I did it please send me some Kleenex while I cry like a b*tch Horn" all of the attaboys that you like and his dumb*ss will still be in jail. Reality matters dipsh*t. You can imagine all of the nonsense that you like, but the truth is, Mr. Horn was stupid enough to think that his legislature passed a law that gave him a right to whack any criminals caught in the act. He did it and learned right away that he was wrong. Your hero Mr. Crying like a b*tch ruined his life. You can praise him all you like, but it will not make the prison gruel taste any better.
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I think Joe Horn might have saved some peoples lives. These guys were up to no good and without a doubt would have caused serious harm if not to Horn then to the next person's house they rob.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Iowanian You wouldn't because you're a liberal twunt who thinks these scoundrels are always the victims. I can't think of a time when mcan didn't side with the poor misunderstood child molester, executed murderer et al. I'll give the dumbass redneck the benefit of the doubt of being fired up by adrelaline and fear. I can't think of a situation where I'll ever side with someone who is breaking into someone else's home. If someone enters your home in these situations, you HAVE to assume they have the worst of intentions. People of morals don't invade other person's home. Quote:
If you are waiting for that cowardly gutless chickensh*t of an Iowanian to answer. Forget about that. He does not have the sand to answer in the same thread when he is all the way wrong. What the chickensh*t will do, is lie about what you posted in a later thread and hope that his friends believe his gutless lying azz.
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Thanks for bringing this back, Jettio. I hadn’t seen this response.
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I would expect that if an indictment issues, his lawyer won't take a chance with a 61 y/o man and that 9-1-1 tape, and that there will be a plea bargain. If he is a first-time offender, I would expect that the prosecutor would give him some kind of break for not understanding that the change in law did not allow him to do that. A prosecutor could not afford to lose a case like that and if the old man is taking it as hard as his lawyer says he is, I don't think the old man could afford to risk a trial.
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I'm not exactly sure what brave, gut filled question you'd like to have answered.
I think you're a slimy, shitbag, rubbernecking, dumb**** that has no idea what guts, chickenshit, intestinal fortitude might actually relate to. You're a dumbass. A rubberneck, flat pecker with a giant butthurt. Its funny. I may not have sand, but you clearly do......an entire vagina packed full of it. Quote:
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What reward are you going to give him for doing society a favor? Stay at home and post your support on an internet bbs. That it not going to help the poor fella a whole lot.
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The 9-1-1 call that you may or may not have listened to will be in evidence. You don't tell the 9-1-1 operator that you are rejecting his advice and going outside to kill two people if the police do not show up first, kill two people and, then, get a free pass.
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I'm going to send his wife a "beware of owner" sign for her yard.
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The 9-1-1 call will be evidence against him. I post my point of view about real life, and I am assuming that this story is about something that really happened and that the linked 9-1-1 call is real. Maybe you live in some land of make believe, and think that Mr. Horn does not really exist, or that the law is what you imagine it to be in your world of make believe. You really ought to come clean about whether you are doing drugs or are just incredibly dumb.
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Man 1. 5 years parole. Otherwise, the grasshoppers take over the ant's house, provided the trial goes beyond the next pres election, and a dem gets in.
Of course, you've heard that Rodney King got shot?
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I remmeber one time this guy set up a shotgun because kids were breaking into his house. He set up a shotgun to blow whoever's head off that broke in next. I think that guy is doing life right now.
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Mr Horn was likely just worried that these home invaders had just given his neighbor, or had intentions of entering his home and giving him the Shawn Taylor Business.
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As to your last paragraph, first sentence: You think you are right all the time? You have been right about what? Iraq? I don't think so. As to your last paragraph, second sentence: I can't figure out what you mean by that.
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I don't think I ever saw anything like that around here. I think if you pop into a thread about something serious and you have another poster, out of nowhere, use your name and say that you advocate a position that you would never advocate, you would not appreciate it.
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...because jettio is a giant, gaping, bukake'd beef curtain cave.
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Only a cowardly gutless chickensh*t, Iowanian, would put false words in another poster's name. I have posted my strong opinions since I have been here, and Iowanian is the only one that crossed that line. You can rationalize in his favor all you want, fact is, he loses respect for being a lying chickensh*t that would put false words in another poster's name.
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Home invasions are one of the most dangerous around florida, they lead to kidnapping, rape, torture, beating and death etc. and did I mention RAPE, of men and women!!
Come on, who wouldn't be scared thinking these guys might come back, esp. if they know it was me that called the po po on them. They were a threat to the whole neighbor and society in general it turns out. When bad things happen during a crime, it is ONLY the criminals fault, esp. when said criminals actions are a direct result of those bad things, that wouldn't have normally happened if not for their criminal activity. |
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Well it happened again. Aparently last night in Porter, TX only this time the guy was in the house being broken into.
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