Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Lounge

View Poll Results: Which failure has cost the Chiefs more?
Carl's choices at head coach 25 28.41%
Carl's failures in the draft 63 71.59%
Voters: 88. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-03-2007, 09:36 AM  
el borracho el borracho is offline
Bears fan since 2013
 
el borracho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Casino cash: $29983
Which failure has cost the Chiefs more?

Please see the poll.
Posts: 10,204
el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2007, 09:37 AM   #2
Pushead2 Pushead2 is offline
**** off
 
Pushead2's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: New York
Casino cash: $151659
There isn't a poll but I will say Carl.
__________________
"Just make sure you mention my name in the top brackets. And make sure they mention your name as the top - insert vulgar language that Chiefsplanet doesn't like even though it's a harmless lyric -....."
Posts: 4,140
Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2007, 09:38 AM   #3
el borracho el borracho is offline
Bears fan since 2013
 
el borracho's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Casino cash: $29983
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pushead2
There isn't a poll but I will say Carl.
Of course it has to do with Carl and, yes, there is a poll. Are you always so premature?
Posts: 10,204
el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.el borracho would the whole thing.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2007, 09:41 AM   #4
OnTheWarpath58 OnTheWarpath58 is offline
37 FOREVER
 
OnTheWarpath58's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Casino cash: $2905478
Failures in the draft, without question.

Not even close.

Carl has aways given the majority of the draft "power" to his head coaches. Not taking it away from the coaches that can't evaluate talent is his biggest mistake, IMO.
Posts: 48,463
OnTheWarpath58 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.OnTheWarpath58 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.OnTheWarpath58 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.OnTheWarpath58 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.OnTheWarpath58 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.OnTheWarpath58 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.OnTheWarpath58 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.OnTheWarpath58 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.OnTheWarpath58 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.OnTheWarpath58 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.OnTheWarpath58 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2007, 09:43 AM   #5
Pushead2 Pushead2 is offline
**** off
 
Pushead2's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: New York
Casino cash: $151659
Quote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
Of course it has to do with Carl and, yes, there is a poll. Are you always so premature?
I was dropped on me head as a youngster
__________________
"Just make sure you mention my name in the top brackets. And make sure they mention your name as the top - insert vulgar language that Chiefsplanet doesn't like even though it's a harmless lyric -....."
Posts: 4,140
Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.Pushead2 must have mowed badgirl's lawn.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2007, 09:50 AM   #6
Simplex3 Simplex3 is offline
MVP
 
Simplex3's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2003
Casino cash: $15827
Really, one kind of leads to the other, but...

I'll go draft.
Posts: 28,527
Simplex3 would the whole thing.Simplex3 would the whole thing.Simplex3 would the whole thing.Simplex3 would the whole thing.Simplex3 would the whole thing.Simplex3 would the whole thing.Simplex3 would the whole thing.Simplex3 would the whole thing.Simplex3 would the whole thing.Simplex3 would the whole thing.Simplex3 would the whole thing.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2007, 09:52 AM   #7
Wile_E_Coyote Wile_E_Coyote is offline
avatar down for remodel
 
Wile_E_Coyote's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2001
Casino cash: $1381
Carl uses the draft to get head coaches. 4th for Herm, DV was a 2nd & 3rd?
Posts: 6,009
Wile_E_Coyote is a favorite in the douche of the year contest.Wile_E_Coyote is a favorite in the douche of the year contest.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2007, 09:53 AM   #8
Mr. Laz Mr. Laz is offline
Don't Tease Me
 
Mr. Laz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: KS
Casino cash: $435311
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58
Failures in the draft, without question.

Not even close.

Carl has aways given the majority of the draft "power" to his head coaches. Not taking it away from the coaches that can't evaluate talent is his biggest mistake, IMO.
prolly .....


not keeping some separation between talent evaluation and the current coaching staff has lead to inconsistent, if not shitty, drafting.


although i still think good coaching maximizes each draft pick


ie a defense player could crash and burn under vermeil but might be solid under Herm. Most offensive player are gonna have a hard time succeeding under Herm than they would under Vermeil.


proper development heavily influences the draft picks
Posts: 80,160
Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.Mr. Laz is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2007, 09:57 AM   #9
Rooster Rooster is offline
Draft a QB
 
Rooster's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Wichita, KS
Casino cash: $45393
All of the above.
__________________
When Reno Hightower was a prick he was the best damn quarterback in the history of Kern County.

Posts: 4,856
Rooster would the whole thing.Rooster would the whole thing.Rooster would the whole thing.Rooster would the whole thing.Rooster would the whole thing.Rooster would the whole thing.Rooster would the whole thing.Rooster would the whole thing.Rooster would the whole thing.Rooster would the whole thing.Rooster would the whole thing.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2007, 10:02 AM   #10
Chiefs_5627 Chiefs_5627 is offline
Starter
 
Chiefs_5627's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Right hurrr
Casino cash: $1376
CP draft.
Posts: 618
Chiefs_5627 is a favorite in the douche of the year contest.Chiefs_5627 is a favorite in the douche of the year contest.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2007, 10:03 AM   #11
Douche Baggins Douche Baggins is online now
welp
 
Douche Baggins's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Casino cash: $10226607
Head coach.

Carl sucks at picking head coaches.
Posts: 163,112
Douche Baggins is obviously part of the inner Circle.Douche Baggins is obviously part of the inner Circle.Douche Baggins is obviously part of the inner Circle.Douche Baggins is obviously part of the inner Circle.Douche Baggins is obviously part of the inner Circle.Douche Baggins is obviously part of the inner Circle.Douche Baggins is obviously part of the inner Circle.Douche Baggins is obviously part of the inner Circle.Douche Baggins is obviously part of the inner Circle.Douche Baggins is obviously part of the inner Circle.Douche Baggins is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2007, 10:07 AM   #12
donkhater donkhater is offline
Brilliant!!
 
donkhater's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Zionsville, IN, USA
Casino cash: $52840
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58
Failures in the draft, without question.

Not even close.

Carl has aways given the majority of the draft "power" to his head coaches. Not taking it away from the coaches that can't evaluate talent is his biggest mistake, IMO.
Really?

I actually was thinking in the other direction--not even close.

Peterson is going to give a lot of leeway to coaches when it comes to drafting players. In many ways he has to. They are the ones implementing a system and identifying players to fit that system. In the 90's, KC's drafts weren't great, but they weren't horrible either. In fact I would say that they were even above average for the league.

He hires Cunningham and DV, successively, and his ability to judge talent erodes? Doubtful. More likely the coach that is giving huge input is picking the wrong guys. That's not an error in drafting, but an error in picking the head coach.

Now Herm becomes head coach and Peterson knows how to draft again? uh-uh. Herm has picked up talent but is over his head as the head coach.

Peterson is responsible for selecting who he thinks will guide the football team and keeping the books in order. He has done his job on the latter, but on the former he has been woefully inadequate. I give blame (and credit) to the head coaches for the drafts.
__________________
The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants
Posts: 3,588
donkhater would the whole thing.donkhater would the whole thing.donkhater would the whole thing.donkhater would the whole thing.donkhater would the whole thing.donkhater would the whole thing.donkhater would the whole thing.donkhater would the whole thing.donkhater would the whole thing.donkhater would the whole thing.donkhater would the whole thing.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2007, 10:07 AM   #13
King_Chief_Fan King_Chief_Fan is offline
Praise Him
 
King_Chief_Fan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: St. Louis MO
Casino cash: $59674
Quote:
Originally Posted by GOATSE
Head coach.

Carl sucks at picking head coaches.
Hades just froze over...I am agreeing with you.
__________________
Ephesians 2:8-10

English Standard Version (ESV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Posts: 7,992
King_Chief_Fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.King_Chief_Fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.King_Chief_Fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.King_Chief_Fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.King_Chief_Fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.King_Chief_Fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.King_Chief_Fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.King_Chief_Fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.King_Chief_Fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.King_Chief_Fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.King_Chief_Fan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2007, 10:17 AM   #14
JohninGpt JohninGpt is offline
Dammit
 
JohninGpt's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Busted Stick, IT
Casino cash: $382282
Yes.
Posts: 4,160
JohninGpt must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JohninGpt must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JohninGpt must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JohninGpt must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JohninGpt must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JohninGpt must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JohninGpt must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JohninGpt must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JohninGpt must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JohninGpt must have mowed badgirl's lawn.JohninGpt must have mowed badgirl's lawn.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2007, 10:17 AM   #15
MahiMike MahiMike is offline
Good Luck Andy!
 
MahiMike's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Jax, FL
Casino cash: $74373
A good coach w/a good philosophy would have this team at 8-4 instead of 4-8.
Posts: 7,972
MahiMike Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MahiMike Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MahiMike Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MahiMike Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MahiMike Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MahiMike Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MahiMike Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MahiMike Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MahiMike Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MahiMike Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.MahiMike Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:44 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.