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Old 04-12-2013, 07:26 AM  
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Greinke Brawls..breaks collarbone

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The Los Angeles Dodgers won the game Thursday night against the San Diego Padres, but their pennant hopes certainly took a hit.

Dodgers starter Zack Greinke fractured his left collarbone in a bench-clearing brawl during the Dodgers' 3-2 victory over the Padres at Petco Park, prompting enraged Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp to confront Padres left fielder Carlos Quentin in the clubhouse tunnel after the game.

Padres starter Clayton Richard and security guards intervened before another fight ensued.

The brawl started when Quentin was hit in the shoulder by Greinke's pitch in the sixth inning. He took several steps towards the mound with his bat, dropped it, and charged Greinke. It was the second time in four years that Greinke hit Quentin, but Quentin was intercepted by Kansas City Royals catcher Miguel Olivo and home-plate umpire Bill Hohn back on April 9, 2009, when Greinke pitched for the Royals and Quentin played for the Chicago White Sox.

This time, no one held anyone back, with Greinke, Kemp and Jerry Hairston ejected from the Dodgers, along with Quentin.

The biggest losers, of course, were the Dodgers, with Greinke sidelined for an indefinite period. He's scheduled to see Los Angles physician Neal ElAttrache on Friday. Greinke signed a six-year, $147 million free-agent contract during the winter.

"My teammate now has a broken f------ collarbone,'' Hairston told reporters. "Excuse my language, but that's unbelievable.''

Said Quentin: "It's unfortunate. It could have been avoided. You can ask Zack about that.

"For me, I've been hit by many pitches in my career. I think you guys know that. I can tell you I've never responded in that fashion, so you guys can do your homework on that. For me, the situation is done. That's it.''

Quentin was most infuriated, he told reporters, by what Greinke told him after he was hit.

"That was the final straw,'' he said.

Kemp, enraged by the incident, met face to face with Quentin in the hallway after the game at Petco Park. He followed Quentin into the parking lot and saying: "We'll see, b----,'' according to the Los Angeles Times.

"That's terrible for him to charge the mound like that,'' Kemp told reporters. "I think Carlos Quentin went to Stanford. I heard there's some smart people at Stanford. That wasn't too smart.''

Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said that Quentin shouldn't be permitted to play another game until Greinke can pitch.

"We're in a 2-1 game and on a 3-2 pitch to a guy that I see on the [score]board set a record for the Padres by getting hit, a guy who basically dives into the plate,'' Mattingly said, according to the MLB.com report. "In a 2-1 game, we're trying to hit him, 3-2?

"It's just stupid is what it is. He should not play a game until Greinke can pitch. If he plays before Greinke pitches, something is wrong.''

Said Greinke: "The only thing I'm going to say about the whole thing that happened there is I've never hit him on purpose. I never thought of hitting him on purpose.''

Quentin has long been a magnet for pitches. In 2004, he set a minor league record by getting plunked 43 times, and he led the major leagues the past two seasons, getting hit 23 times in 2011 and 17 times last year, even though he played just 86 games.

Greinke told reporters he thought Quentin's umbrage in reacting to getting hit by pitches was "a ploy" to intimidate pitchers.

"I figured he was trying to intimidate pitchers so they wouldn't throw inside,' he said.

The Dodgers and Padres play again Monday, this time, in Los Angeles at Dodger Stadium on Jackie Robinson Day.



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Old 04-12-2013, 10:52 AM   #76
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You must not understand baseball if you think that was intentional. Even Quentin knows it wasn't intentional...he charged because, according to him, Greinke said something to him.
Yeah, well that vid from '09 doesn't help the whole, "It's a 1 run game" story. Why hit someone in a 1 run game in the fourth inning in a 1-1 count. I don't think Ellis and Grienke dialed it up, I think Grienke decided to plunk rather than serve up a fastball down the pipe or give him a free pass.

If Greinke has such great control as Bowser says, why did he miss the glove by 3 feet with a fastball up and in?
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:55 AM   #77
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Yeah, well that vid from '09 doesn't help the whole, "It's a 1 run game" story. Why hit someone in a 1 run game in the fourth inning in a 1-1 count. I don't think Ellis and Grienke dialed it up, I think Grienke decided to plunk rather than serve up a fastball down the pipe or give him a free pass.

If Greinke has such great control as Bowser says, why did he miss the glove by 3 feet?
So on a 3-2 count you assume all pitchers either serve one up or walk a guy? Your stance on this matter is ridiculous. There is a reason he wasn't even ejected last night. Had Quentin been an adult and gone to first there wouldn't have even been a warning issued.
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:56 AM   #78
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Notice the difference in the catchers actions. Olivo steps in and sends Quentin on his way to first. AJ Ellis just stands there like an oaf and lets Quentin charge unimpeded.
Ellis should have been all over Quentin.

I remember Dave Winfield charging the mound against the Cubs back in the early WGN/cable days. Big-ass Barry Foote caught up with him and tackled him from behind before he could even get to the mound. So awesome.

Ha ha, here it is: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/7...istory/page/12
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Carlos Quentin lead the league in getting hit by pitches for the last 2 years. He has been towards the top the 3 years before that. That is with his many stints on the DL too.
Yeah, but was he crowding the plate last night when he got hit?
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It doesn't matter if he was crowding the plate or not. Shit, it doesn't even matter if it really was on purpose (it wasn't)...the context of the particular game made the charging absurd and I expect Quentin to get, at the very least, 10 games
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:00 AM   #81
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Notice the difference in the catchers actions. Olivo steps in and sends Quentin on his way to first. AJ Ellis just stands there like an oaf and lets Quentin charge unimpeded.
True, but I think that re-inforces the belief that Zach wasn't intentionally throwing at Quentin, or at the very least, they hadn't called it. Ellis didn't expect Quentin to charge in that situation, but Olivo knew damn well he was going to in '09.
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:00 AM   #82
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So on a 3-2 count you assume all pitchers either serve one up or walk a guy? Your stance on this matter is ridiculous. There is a reason he wasn't even ejected last night. Had Quentin been an adult and gone to first there wouldn't have even been a warning issued.
Your naivete is ridiculous. And I didn't realize warnings get issued every time a batter gets plunked. The dodgers didn't dial this up in a situation that results in typical warnings. Greinke dialed it up himself.
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:00 AM   #83
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Yeah I guess not but he didn't lean into it like people are saying.
They aren't saying that dipshit. They are saying that he crowds the plate constantly, and multiple pitchers have hit him multiple times.
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Yeah, well that vid from '09 doesn't help the whole, "It's a 1 run game" story. Why hit someone in a 1 run game in the fourth inning in a 1-1 count. I don't think Ellis and Grienke dialed it up, I think Grienke decided to plunk rather than serve up a fastball down the pipe or give him a free pass.

If Greinke has such great control as Bowser says, why did he miss the glove by 3 feet with a fastball up and in?
My point is if Zach wanted to hit him, he would have put one on his bean bag, not grazed his arm.

Maybe the scouting reports showed Quentin likes to chase fastballs up and in?
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Your naivete is ridiculous. And I didn't realize warnings get issued every time a batter gets plunked. The dodgers didn't dial this up in a situation that results in typical warnings. Greinke dialed it up himself.
Lol lol lol lol

Yeah he just decided to hit a guy on a 3-2 who he had just struck out...in a game with no outs and a guy on 1st...

You're being really smart here.
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My point is if Zach wanted to hit him, he would have put one on his bean bag, not grazed his arm.

Maybe the scouting reports showed Quentin likes to chase fastballs up and in?
So that's why the catcher set up low and away
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Lol lol lol lol

Yeah he just decided to hit a guy on a 3-2 who he had just struck out...in a game with no outs and a guy on 1st...

You're being really smart here.
There was nobody on first, buddy.

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