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Old 07-01-2013, 08:33 AM  
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Egyptian protestors storming Muslim Brotherhood HQ, demanding Morsi's removal.

The ugly business of budding democracies.

Happening before our very eyes. This is explosive.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...850692648.html

Egypt opposition to continue mass protests
Seat of the powerful Muslim Brotherhood to which President Morsi belongs set on fire as protesters push for his removal.
Last Modified: 01 Jul 2013 12:45

Protesters seeking to force Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi from office are gearing up for a second day of action, after large crowds thronged the streets of Cairo and cities around the country and marched on the presidential palace.

In the capital, the seat of the powerful Muslim Brotherhood to which Morsi belongs, was set ablaze before people stormed and looted the building, an AFP correspondent there said.

People were seen leaving with petrol bombs, helmets, flak jackets, furniture, televisions and documents.

Some preparing for rallies on Monday spent the night in dozens of tents pitched at Cairo's central Tahrir Square and the palace, positions organisers say they will hold until Morsi resigns.

In fewer numbers, supporters of the Egyptian president came out on Sunday to show their support and defend what they called the president’s "legitimacy".

As anger against Morsi swept the streets, at least six people were killed and more than 600 wounded in clashes between the pro and anti-Morsi groups, the Reuters news agency reported.

The main opposition Tamarod - Arabic for rebellion - movement, which led the demonstrations, gave Morsi a deadline of Tuesday to quit, threatening a campaign of civil disobedience if he stays.

The number of people who joined in protests on Sunday, the anniversary of Morsi's first year in office, was between 14m and 17m people, the interior ministry told Al Jazeera.

"It is absolutely fair to say that an unprecedented number of Egyptians went to the streets accross the country," said Al Jazeera's Hoda Abdel Hamid, reporting from Cairo.

She added that a statement from Morsi during the protests was not welcomed by many, as it did not offer anything new.

In the message released on Sunday, he said: "I believe we can come together and find a way that builds our country," and he could "engage in national dialogue."

In its statement, Tamarod urged "state institutions including the army, the police and the judiciary to clearly side with the popular will as represented by the crowds."

The group also rejected presidential calls for dialogue, saying: "There is no way to accept any halfway measures.

"There is no alternative other than the peaceful end of power of the Muslim Brotherhood and its representative, Mohamed Morsi."

Morsi supporters

A few kilometres away from the presidential palace, thousands of Morsi supporters also staged their own sit-in to show support for their president.

"If we are saying that we have a majority, and the opposition are saying that they have a majority, how can they decide?" asked Nader Omran, a spokesman for the Freedom and Justice Party, the political wing of the Muslim Brotherhood.

"What is the other solution for this dilemma, except the ballot box?"

Presidential spokesman Omar Amer said Morsi was serious in his repeated calls for national dialogue.

"[Morsi] announced to all of Egypt's people he made mistakes and that he is in the process of fixing these mistakes," Amer told a late-night news conference.

The duelling rallies on Sunday only further highlighted the deepening political polarisation in Egypt.

Morsi supporters are full of praise for his first year in office, insisting that the president has strengthened civilian rule in Egypt and done his best to manage a failing economy.

Many of them dismissed Sunday’s protests as the work of ex-regime figures and “thugs”, fuelled by a hostile media and Western governments.

Anti-government protesters, on the other hand, dismissed Morsi’s first term as a failure and described him as a dictatorial leader. Many accused him of backing the Palestinian group Hamas and other armed groups; one well-dressed man in Tahrir insisted that Morsi planned to cede the Sinai peninsula to Hamas.

But their main complaint was the worsening economy, which has been in free-fall since Morsi took office, with the Egyptian pound losing nearly 20 percent of its value and industry crippled by fuel and electricity shortages.

"He's borrowed money from everyone in the world," said Said Ahmed, referring to $11bn in loans Egypt has received from Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey to prop up the economy. "Who's going to pay for that? Our children."
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:56 PM   #46
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Makes no goddamn sense, bro. You've got to let the Egyptian people take care of this without a military coup.
You have to have been there, lived there or do some kind of deep studying to understand their culture and background.

They see the army not as an enemy but an extension of them. They are professionals, not dictators. They proved that by allowing the Muslim Brotherhood give them orders. To hand power over to the democratically elected leadership. Only Morsi followers will see it as a coup.

The Morsi regime didn't steal the election. They want it fair and square. What they have done is not share any power with anyone else in Egypt. They failed to bring in managers of the infrastructure, tourism leaders etc.

This is all good. It has allowed to public to see how the hard edge Muslims run a country into the ground. I can see Egypt being a perfect example of how a path to democracy can work in the middle east for the Muslims.
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I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:15 PM   #47
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Obama told Mubarak to get out. I see him doing the same here shortly.

Gives the impression we are behind the people. I don't see much of a better option although we can't control what/who ends up in power.
The best option is to let the Egyptians speak, and let them get this figured out.

There is a consistency here. Favor bottom-up self-determination.

Mubarak, for too long, stood in the way of that, and needed to go. The military would only uproot that, potentially for a very long time, and needs to stay out of this (other than to maintain order).
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:19 PM   #48
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You have to have been there, lived there or do some kind of deep studying to understand their culture and background.

They see the army not as an enemy but an extension of them. They are professionals, not dictators. They proved that by allowing the Muslim Brotherhood give them orders. To hand power over to the democratically elected leadership. Only Morsi followers will see it as a coup.

The Morsi regime didn't steal the election. They want it fair and square. What they have done is not share any power with anyone else in Egypt. They failed to bring in managers of the infrastructure, tourism leaders etc.

This is all good. It has allowed to public to see how the hard edge Muslims run a country into the ground. I can see Egypt being a perfect example of how a path to democracy can work in the middle east for the Muslims.
While I largely agree the Egyptian military have relatively good popularity amongst Egyptians, that's not by accident. The Egyptian military own something like 90% of the power and commerce in the country. The civilian leadership is a relatively new phenomenon and really, the military's just going to take whatever action it can to ensure tranquility so it can continue raking it in.

Hopefully that means they'll be true to their word, but the worst kept secret in Egyptian politics is that they are never terribly far from a military dictatorship, as the military essentially runs things behind the throne.

I agree this is a good development. Hard right Muslims have proven incompetent to run the country so far, and this will allow the country to re-adjust and go forward.

But you risk screwing this up if you don't let the people and their civilian representatives work this out.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:24 AM   #49
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Just in case you don't know..............the military is moving on Morsei today. We have evacuated our embassy.
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If it's effective, who are you, me, or anybody else to call it abuse? I worked with a guy back in Moberly who would shove a finger up his son's ass each time he had anything worse than a C on his report card. If he came home with 2 D's and an F, that's 3 fingers (and this was a big dude). Does that sound hideous and disgusting? Absolutely. Did the kid ever get anything worse than a C after this rule was implemented? Not a chance.

I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:29 AM   #50
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The truth of the matter is, he's favoring self-representation over Marshall Law.

You meant "martial".

Pronounced Marshall, but it's martial.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:40 AM   #51
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Your response to me when I said, Egypt could be heading into a civil war:

Oh JFC, you are a complete dick. It turns out that I was OBVIOUSLY responding to your stupid ass statement that Obama "pushed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood on the people of Egypt", as proven by the fact that I BOLDED that part.

You then delete the part that I bolded and act like I said you were insane for predicting that Egypt was heading into civil war.


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Old 07-03-2013, 08:54 AM   #52
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Thats the beauty of the Muslim Brotherhood. Its made up of the same elements as DC's right wing nutbags. In this day and age no one, even Muslims that have been repressed by their governments for years are will to accept that level of repression.
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Oh JFC, you are a complete dick. It turns out that I was OBVIOUSLY responding to your stupid ass statement that Obama "pushed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood on the people of Egypt", as proven by the fact that I BOLDED that part.

You then delete the part that I bolded and act like I said you were insane for predicting that Egypt was heading into civil war.


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Egyptian President Mohamed Morsy "no longer a part of the decision-making circle," state-run newspaper reports.
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Oh JFC, you are a complete dick. It turns out that I was OBVIOUSLY responding to your stupid ass statement that Obama "pushed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood on the people of Egypt", as proven by the fact that I BOLDED that part.

You then delete the part that I bolded and act like I said you were insane for predicting that Egypt was heading into civil war.


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What is happening in Egypt right now demonstrates that Muslims do not want Shariah Law. Radical Islamists are just that, radical. Their views are fringe, and given the opportunity, the people of the middle east will reject their views.
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History will remember forever that the Egyptians put an end of an international terrorist organization called the Muslim Brotherhood.

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Obama administration criticizes Egypt's Morsi, pressing him to be "more responsive to the Egyptian people."
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This is a big blow for US foreign policy when they had no problem with an Islamist government.

Next up Turkey: Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey. President Obama 'best friend'.
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As much as I hate the MB's way of doing politics, I am 100% against what happened today in Egypt. This was a military coup.

Saudi Arabia, UAE, and the US were all behind this.
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As much as I hate the MB's way of doing politics, I am 100% against what happened today in Egypt. This was a military coup.

Saudi Arabia, UAE, and the US were all behind this.
A military coup of a leader that refused to share power, suppressed freedom of speech and lost the backing of millions of his people. That's not your typical military coup. All of this within a year.
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