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Obama 15 30.00%
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Old 08-01-2013, 03:44 PM  
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Who do you respect more as a leader?

Obama or Putin?

Simple choice.
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:27 PM   #91
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Not the same at all, i believe DeNiro explained it best to his son in A Bronx Tale.
I'll have to Netflix that, I guess.
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:27 PM   #92
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I don't know how anyone has any respect for Obama left.

He's a charlatan, and a bad person.

Ask yourself if you would want your son to grow up to be a POS like Obama and you have your answer.
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:28 PM   #93
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It should be noted that gassing powerless hostages actually has quantifiable economic and diplomatic blowback. It's not just "wrong," it functionally takes away some of Russia's political capital.

So, costing your country some political capital for no goddamn reason to commit a war crime = LEADERSHIP, according to some of the shit in this thread.

I don't want to go on and say this thread finds a new low for this forum, but it's certainly flirting with the idea. The fact that a number of people I have some respect for are actually entertaining the notion is disappointing.
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:28 PM   #94
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Yeah, Libya. That's clearly another area where Putin bests Obama.

Obama neutered Qaddafi's military and allowed Libya to overthrow him and establish a path toward democracy, creating America's relatively vast popularity in Libya.

Putin -- ???

Point clearly goes to Putin. Amiright?
Embassy gets overrun. Both Putin and Obama have the exact same military capabilities in the scenario which is a carbon copy of Bengazi. Who chooses what?
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:30 PM   #95
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Putin is playing chess, Obama is playing checkers.
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:31 PM   #96
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Embassy gets overrun. Both Putin and Obama have the exact same military capabilities in the scenario which is a carbon copy of Bengazi. Who chooses what?
I honestly don't know how Putin reacts any differently.

What can be done, other than to beef up your security in Benghazi and cooperate with Libyan officials to try to track down the people who perpetrated the assault? I'm seriously asking.

If you're suggesting Putin would take more aggressive action than that, then you're suggesting Putin does something dumb like pulls all of his diplomats out of Libya, or puts boots on the ground, or fires missiles into Libya without knowing where the perpetrators are. All of which is dumb, dumb shit to do.
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:32 PM   #97
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You might be right. There are Clinton and Carter to consider.
Holy shit, I hope this is a joke. W?
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:33 PM   #98
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It should be noted that gassing powerless hostages actually has quantifiable economic and diplomatic blowback. It's not just "wrong," it functionally takes away some of Russia's political capital.

So, costing your country some political capital for no goddamn reason to commit a war crime = LEADERSHIP, according to some of the shit in this thread.

I don't want to go on and say this thread finds a new low for this forum, but it's certainly flirting with the idea. The fact that a number of people I have some respect for are actually entertaining the notion is disappointing.
Nah. Obama is just an amateur who is overmatched in diplomacy and foreign policy, and really has no spine for anything that might have implications on his domestic agenda. The world figured this out.
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:33 PM   #99
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Holy shit, I hope this is a joke. W?
Like him or not, at least people respected W because they knew his words meant something.
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:33 PM   #100
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Putin is playing chess, Obama is playing checkers.
Nebulous nonsense for 100, Alex.

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Nah. Obama is just an amateur who is overmatched in diplomacy and foreign policy, and really has no spine for anything that might have implications on his domestic agenda. The world figured this out.
Nebulous nonsense for 200, Alex.

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Like him or not, at least people respected W because they knew his words meant something.
Nebulous nonsense for 300, Alex.
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:36 PM   #101
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Nebulous nonsense for 100, Alex.



Nebulous nonsense for 200, Alex.



Nebulous nonsense for 300, Alex.
Truth hurts.

You can dole out all the international aid and give all the speeches you want, but you can't buy respect.

Nobody respects him.
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:37 PM   #102
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Truth hurts.

You can dole out all the international aid and give all the speeches you want, but you can't buy respect.

Nobody respects him.
I don't know what you want me to do with this information.
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:38 PM   #103
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Please dont take that as some "i love putin cuz he rough n tough", that was an awful decision and he's a truly rotten leader, i bet better than half his country hates his guts but just dont know how to/havent gotten quite fed up enough yet, to get rid of him.

But give him this... he DOES have a bigger pair than Obama, being a cautious statesman is great, but once in a while you've got to smack some people around.
I think it is odd that you don't think that Obama has "smacked some people around." A lot of people from both parties are pissed about all the smacking he has done. There's a lot of dead terrorists, as well as some bystanders, due to Obama's smacking. You guys claim you want tough...
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:40 PM   #104
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I don't know what you want me to do with this information.
I assume you'll just disregard it.

Don't worry, I am sure that Putin is shaking in his boots at "we are disappoint", and Carney muttering something about cancelling their coffee-date (maybe).
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:42 PM   #105
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Like him or not, at least people respected W because they knew his words meant something.
Oh, come on. His words meant nothing. Some of them weren't even words at all.
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