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Joseph Atwill Claims Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'

Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public.

London (PRWEB UK) 8 October 2013

American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com).

Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people."

Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire. "Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."

Atwill's most intriguing discovery came to him while he was studying "Wars of the Jews" by Josephus [the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea] alongside the New Testament. "I started to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts," he recounts. "Although it's been recognised by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophesies of Jesus appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman war, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

How could this go unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? "Many of the parallels are conceptual or poetic, so they aren't all immediately obvious. After all, the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognised the literary game being played." Atwill maintains he can demonstrate that "the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'"

Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity? "Probably not," grants Atwill, "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

Atwill encourages skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book "Jesus Never Existed."

Further information can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com.

About Joseph Atwill: Joseph Atwill is the author of the best-selling book "Caesar's Messiah" and its upcoming sequel "The Single Strand."



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Old 10-18-2013, 10:31 PM   #227
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Not too old to become a religious scholar apparently.
It's an intellectual skill. If you have the mind for it, perhaps you should start.
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:45 PM   #228
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If this were to be true then it would be by far the best kept secret in the history of civilization.

As a Christian, I'm not buying it. There is too much circumstantial evidence that proves otherwise. And if Jesus was made up then it wouldn't have taken thousands of years to come out.

That being said, Religion is the perfect way to control a population. It instills morals, beliefs, rules, and hope. The last place anyone would want to live is a godless country, whether they believe god or not.
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:50 PM   #229
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That being said, Religion is the perfect way to control a population. It instills morals, beliefs, rules, and hope. The last place anyone would want to live is a godless country, whether they believe god or not.
It's kind of funny that this country was created for that exact purpose.
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Old 10-19-2013, 03:01 AM   #230
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It's kind of funny that this country was created for that exact purpose.

I know some people are forbidden to read the constitution by orders of their political party, but it tells you why this country was created.

“We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

I don't see anything about religion on there.

Maybe your talking about the colonization from England? Well, a lot of settlers did flee to the America's to avoid religious prosecution as Roman Catholicism was the one true religion in Europe. It got bloody.

That being said, the reason for the colonization was because of money, power and territories for the English.

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Old 10-19-2013, 07:21 AM   #231
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Nope. Everything I stated is accepted fact. But as I said, just because we don't have much in the way of corroborating evidence that there was one particular person who fits the Biblical narrative of Jesus doesn't at all mean that person didn't exist. It just means that (as BRC points out) a bit of FAITH is required of the believers.
listen to yourself..this Jesus..and that Jesus..ya those guys were real, but Jesus Christ? welp. not sure...but...Barabbas was actually JESUS BARABBAS..that dude WAS REAL.!!!

not only was Christ's birth prophesied, so was his death....the inscription on the cross was written in Greek, Aramaic and Latin...there was no confusion then, nor now.


BAR ABBAS....Son of God...murderer chosen over Jesus Christ...and it's gonna happen again.

.. we are told in the last days, it will as it was in the Days of Noah..sons of God.


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If this were to be true then it would be by far the best kept secret in the history of civilization.

As a Christian, I'm not buying it. There is too much circumstantial evidence that proves otherwise. And if Jesus was made up then it wouldn't have taken thousands of years to come out.

That being said, Religion is the perfect way to control a population. It instills morals, beliefs, rules, and hope. The last place anyone would want to live is a godless country, whether they believe god or not.
Jesus isn't religion.
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If this were to be true then it would be by far the best kept secret in the history of civilization.

As a Christian, I'm not buying it. There is too much circumstantial evidence that proves otherwise. And if Jesus was made up then it wouldn't have taken thousands of years to come out.

That being said, Religion is the perfect way to control a population. It instills morals, beliefs, rules, and hope. The last place anyone would want to live is a godless country, whether they believe god or not.
Please provide this "evidence" of his existence.
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I know some people are forbidden to read the constitution by orders of their political party, but it tells you why this country was created.

“We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

I don't see anything about religion on there.

Maybe your talking about the colonization from England? Well, a lot of settlers did flee to the America's to avoid religious prosecution as Roman Catholicism was the one true religion in Europe. It got bloody.

That being said, the reason for the colonization was because of money, power and territories for the English.
A religious person not understanding what was said and responding incorrectly. Funny that almost never happens.
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/

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Provide evidence the planet is collapsing under the weight of "greenhouse gasses"
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I know some people are forbidden to read the constitution by orders of their political party, but it tells you why this country was created.

“We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

I don't see anything about religion on there.

Maybe your talking about the colonization from England? Well, a lot of settlers did flee to the America's to avoid religious prosecution as Roman Catholicism was the one true religion in Europe. It got bloody.

That being said, the reason for the colonization was because of money, power and territories for the English.
I'm not sure what you are trying to imply in that first sentence. Are you under the badly mistaken impression that I can't read the USCON because I'm a registered Libertarian? I'll gloss over that because it's mindlessly stupid and address the rest of your post instead. Our founding fathers knew the dangers of living in a State that was unduly influenced by the Church, as well as belonging to a Church that was unduly influenced by the State, and took steps to keep that from happening here. You can explore one possibility of what America would look like without that concept firmly in place by taking a harder look at those colonies you mentioned. The Puritans form a great example of exactly what we wouldn't want our country to be. Perhaps if you dropped the vague phrasing and attempted to communicate with some clarity on the subject you could make a better point. I don't know what else you could possibly mean by a "godless country."
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