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Old 08-26-2014, 01:51 PM   #1
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All of this, some of you need to get over yourselves thinking we have no need for a seasoned veteran on the roster!

And yes, Willingham needs to be in the lineup basically every damn day, his presence in the line up is HUGE!
Ibanez is not a guy who has been here for years and who everyone high-5's on their way into the office. He's been here literally weeks.

The value of his "veteran presence", if such a thing ever has any value with anyone, is basically zero.
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Old 08-26-2014, 02:12 PM   #2
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Ibanez is not a guy who has been here for years and who everyone high-5's on their way into the office. He's been here literally weeks.

The value of his "veteran presence", if such a thing ever has any value with anyone, is basically zero.
We basically agree on everything, but this we simply do not. His LH bat as a PH is what we need at times off the bench or against some pitchers he has a solid history against. His presence in the locker room with younger players who have never been in a playoff chase is very valuable. His call of a players only meeting after only being here for a week caught the attention of the younger players where as it was delivered by a guy that has taken on the role of team leader in the dugout, somebody that who is a player, not a coach, that has been in playoff games and chase's before.

It's called, leadership. Shields has provided it to the younger pitchers. Gordon to the younger players on defense, plus his bat along with Butler. Ibanez has provided it to the role bench & players as well as dugout / locker room.

It is what it is, anybody should be able to see this. Coaches in any sport likes the right mix of veterans & younger players, as well as guys that do the dirty work, guys who lead by example with everything they do.
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Old 08-26-2014, 03:11 PM   #3
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It's called, leadership. Shields has provided it to the younger pitchers. Gordon to the younger players on defense, plus his bat along with Butler.
Alternate theory: Young players naturally improve. I do not believe the rest of our starting pitchers would have done worse if Shields was not here. Same with outfield and Gordon.

These guys are just really good players. They are not coaches or mentors who teach others how to play baseball. Cain, Dyson, Duffy, etc are all grown-ass men who have been playing baseball their whole lives.
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Old 08-26-2014, 01:58 PM   #4
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All of this, some of you need to get over yourselves thinking we have no need for a seasoned veteran on the roster!

And yes, Willingham needs to be in the lineup basically every damn day, his presence in the line up is HUGE!
Actually none of this. That veteran presence shit is so overrated, and is his value to the team. HE'S GOT TO GO!
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Old 08-26-2014, 12:03 PM   #6
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Ricky Nolasco is really shitty. Chances are, he's throwing a shutout.
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Ricky Nolasco is really shitty. Chances are, he's throwing a shutout.
I'm wondering how he even won 5 games with those stats.

Yet another data point against the pitcher win stat.
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Old 08-26-2014, 07:50 PM   #8
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On paper, this should be a rout.

That's what's so great about baseball though.
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I see that the Royals are -172 for tonights game. Does that mean someone would have to bet $172 to win $100?

Also, doesn't that make us a pretty heavy favorite?
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I see that the Royals are -172 for tonights game. Does that mean someone would have to bet $172 to win $100?

Also, doesn't that make us a pretty heavy favorite?
Yes. In baseball, that is freaking enormous.
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I see that the Royals are -172 for tonights game. Does that mean someone would have to bet $172 to win $100?

Also, doesn't that make us a pretty heavy favorite?
Never underestimate the Twins against the Royals. =(
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Done, sold. Lets run this lineup out there every night for the rest of the year, with the occasional off-day for Salvy.

edit: maybe flip Colon and Escobar
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