We shouldn't sleep on John Ross.

Direckshun · 05-25-2023, 10:50 AM

I keep coming back to something, because I see in all these threads we are making assumptions about the approaching WR depth chart.

Toney
MVS
Moore
Rice

The above four are locks. I think we can agree that Justin Watson is not a lock but is close to one, as the Chiefs love the depth he offers and his special teams work as well.

The Chiefs will carry 6 WRs on the roster, maybe 7, and the talents left are:

Richie James
Ihmir Smith-Marsette (former 2021 5th round Viking pick, was on Chiefs PS, activated for the Week 18 game)
Justyn Ross (2022 UDFA)
Nikko Remigio (2023 UDFA)
Ty Fryfogle (2022 Cowboys UDFA, cut in 2022 August, signed to futures contract in January)

And John Ross.

To remind all of you, Justin Ross is 27 years old, was drafted 9th overall by the Bengals in 2017. Prior to that, he set the Combine record for the 40 yard dash, running a 4.22, including an elite 1.49 10-yard split (only two receivers beat that split at the Combine this year, and -- oddly enough -- Rashee Rice actually tied that).

Ross went on to be a colossal bust, recording exactly one touch his rookie season, which he fumbled. He has battled injuries and a decent Bengals depth chart to record 62 receptions for 957 yards in his career so far, recording a completion on merely 43% of his targets. He's also recorded three fumbles, which means 5% of his touches, he's fumbling. He was a Giant for the 2021 season, and spent the 2022 season out of football until the Chiefs signed him in January.

This is a pretty grisly career, but I think he's got a chance to be a sleeper for the Chiefs roster, but only if the Chiefs choose to roster 7 WRs -- which they rarely do, especially when they have four TEs already that they really like.

Ross may be worth the 7th slot, however.

Pacheco was our primary kick returner, but that doesn't seem viable anymore given that he is now the #1 RB.
Andy Reid always loves having a speed demon gadget player on the roster:
Dexter McCluster in 2013
De'Anthony Thomas in 2014-2015
Tyreek Hill, who became more than that, 2015-2021
Mecole Hardman in 2019-2022
Kadarious Toney in 2022
There is simply no option on the roster who is a pure fit for that Z receiver gadget speedster role that Andy Reid covets. Toney is a #1 WR this year, MVS is a deep threat, not a twitchy gadget, Skyy Moore doesn't have that kind of speed, and Jerrion Ealy is an unknown.

Now, I don't think John Ross can replicate even what Mecole Hardman did.

But ask yourself: can he replicate what De'Anthony Thomas did? I think the answer to that is yes.

I think he's a wild gamble, and as such I wouldn't take him over Richie James for the #6 spot. But hey, if the Chiefs elect to roster a 7th WR, he's got an advantage over the other WRs in that there is a clear need that, in theory, he alone can fill at this time.

ToxSocks · 05-25-2023, 10:57 AM

Ya know, you can post these threads in the lounge.

This is starting to feel real "Safe spacey".

staylor26 · 05-25-2023, 11:07 AM

You forgot about Watson...

Direckshun · 05-25-2023, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

You forgot about Watson...

I threw Watson in there.

RunKC · 05-25-2023, 11:34 AM

Ngl it would be epic to have John Ross help us end the Bengals season again after they took him the pick before Mahomes

ToxSocks · 05-25-2023, 11:38 AM

Anyone notice our collection of former Giants receivers?

Our WR group is comprised of players that many considered the two worst receiving groups in all of football two seasons ago; the Giants and Packers.

MVS -Packers
Toney - Giants
James - Giants
Ross - Giants

Direckshun · 05-25-2023, 11:51 AM

Heh. I didn’t catch that at all.

That’s pretty fascinating. I guess there’s a ton of overlap between our schemes.

There’s a lot of overlap with our defenses as well.

BWillie · 05-25-2023, 12:13 PM

I dont get the Remigio love but really who tf knows

**Rain Man** · 05-25-2023, 12:57 PM

McCluster and Thomas weren't fast, they were just small. They were small and slow.

Why Not? · 05-25-2023, 02:38 PM

Kick returns are obsolete now so that doesn't really matter. James is making the roster so there is one spot left for the Ross bros and the other dudes to battle for. John has a shot, just like they all will.

ToxSocks · 05-25-2023, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

McCluster and Thomas weren't fast, they were just small. They were small and slow.

They were quick and shifty. Not really straight line fast.

**Bowser** · 05-25-2023, 04:22 PM

It's wild to think how John Ross was drafted one spot BEFORE Mahomes.

I think he's going to get IR'd at the end of preseason and we'll see what plans they have for him in '24 with MVS' status sort of unknown.

Megatron96 · 05-25-2023, 04:53 PM

Statistically, he's Hardman lite. And considering his injury history, I'd be surprised if he played in more than 7 games or caught more than 15 balls.

But we acquired him for a bag of chips so let's see if there's any juice there at all before he inevitably blows a hammy or whatever and goes on IR.

Bump · 05-25-2023, 05:23 PM

It's going to be interesting to see who makes the team. I think someone is going to have to completely dominate preseason and training camp to make the team out side of the obvious locks. James would have to look like shit and so would Watson for either Ross or one of those UDA's to make it. Or an injury, let's hope it's not that though.

dlphg9 · 05-25-2023, 09:44 PM

These guys are roster locks

Toney
Moore
MVS
Rice
Watson
James

That's 6 guys, but luckily for the other guys injuries happen all the time, so if they make the PS or get released and go unsigned, then they could be resigned after an injury. Chances of any of those guys making the roster outside of those 6 is pretty close to 0.

05-25-2023, 10:50 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2063447	We shouldn't sleep on John Ross. I keep coming back to something, because I see in all these threads we are making assumptions about the approaching WR depth chart. Toney MVS Moore Rice The above four are locks. I think we can agree that Justin Watson is not a lock but is close to one, as the Chiefs love the depth he offers and his special teams work as well. The Chiefs will carry 6 WRs on the roster, maybe 7, and the talents left are: Richie James Ihmir Smith-Marsette (former 2021 5th round Viking pick, was on Chiefs PS, activated for the Week 18 game) Justyn Ross (2022 UDFA) Nikko Remigio (2023 UDFA) Ty Fryfogle (2022 Cowboys UDFA, cut in 2022 August, signed to futures contract in January) And John Ross. To remind all of you, Justin Ross is 27 years old, was drafted 9th overall by the Bengals in 2017. Prior to that, he set the Combine record for the 40 yard dash, running a 4.22, including an elite 1.49 10-yard split (only two receivers beat that split at the Combine this year, and -- oddly enough -- Rashee Rice actually tied that). Ross went on to be a colossal bust, recording exactly one touch his rookie season, which he fumbled. He has battled injuries and a decent Bengals depth chart to record 62 receptions for 957 yards in his career so far, recording a completion on merely 43% of his targets. He's also recorded three fumbles, which means 5% of his touches, he's fumbling. He was a Giant for the 2021 season, and spent the 2022 season out of football until the Chiefs signed him in January. This is a pretty grisly career, but I think he's got a chance to be a sleeper for the Chiefs roster, but only if the Chiefs choose to roster 7 WRs -- which they rarely do, especially when they have four TEs already that they really like. Ross may be worth the 7th slot, however. Pacheco was our primary kick returner, but that doesn't seem viable anymore given that he is now the #1 RB. Andy Reid always loves having a speed demon gadget player on the roster: Dexter McCluster in 2013 De'Anthony Thomas in 2014-2015 Tyreek Hill, who became more than that, 2015-2021 Mecole Hardman in 2019-2022 Kadarious Toney in 2022 There is simply no option on the roster who is a pure fit for that Z receiver gadget speedster role that Andy Reid covets. Toney is a #1 WR this year, MVS is a deep threat, not a twitchy gadget, Skyy Moore doesn't have that kind of speed, and Jerrion Ealy is an unknown. Now, I don't think John Ross can replicate even what Mecole Hardman did. But ask yourself: can he replicate what De'Anthony Thomas did? I think the answer to that is yes. I think he's a wild gamble, and as such I wouldn't take him over Richie James for the #6 spot. But hey, if the Chiefs elect to roster a 7th WR, he's got an advantage over the other WRs in that there is a clear need that, in theory, he alone can fill at this time.
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ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2093063	Anyone notice our collection of former Giants receivers? Our WR group is comprised of players that many considered the two worst receiving groups in all of football two seasons ago; the Giants and Packers. MVS -Packers Toney - Giants James - Giants Ross - Giants __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2063447	Heh. I didn’t catch that at all. That’s pretty fascinating. I guess there’s a ton of overlap between our schemes. There’s a lot of overlap with our defenses as well.
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Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $-108384	It's wild to think how John Ross was drafted one spot BEFORE Mahomes. I think he's going to get IR'd at the end of preseason and we'll see what plans they have for him in '24 with MVS' status sort of unknown.
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Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: North Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-1829600	Statistically, he's Hardman lite. And considering his injury history, I'd be surprised if he played in more than 7 games or caught more than 15 balls. But we acquired him for a bag of chips so let's see if there's any juice there at all before he inevitably blows a hammy or whatever and goes on IR. __________________ *“Some ideas are so stupid only intellectuals believe them.”*- George Orwell Steven "Spags" Spagnuolo is my Adopt-A-Chief!!!
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Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1534895	It's going to be interesting to see who makes the team. I think someone is going to have to completely dominate preseason and training camp to make the team out side of the obvious locks. James would have to look like shit and so would Watson for either Ross or one of those UDA's to make it. Or an injury, let's hope it's not that though.
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dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1510347	These guys are roster locks Toney Moore MVS Rice Watson James That's 6 guys, but luckily for the other guys injuries happen all the time, so if they make the PS or get released and go unsigned, then they could be resigned after an injury. Chances of any of those guys making the roster outside of those 6 is pretty close to 0.
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