Off-season WR possibilities

[Reerun_KC]

Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes.

Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by DRM08

And they're paying Lamar the same cash, so you can't argue that the money for Mahomes is the problem. Poor evaluation of receivers (including MVS/Toney/Skyy), a rookie WR coach who looks like he just graduated high school, overpaying Jawaan Taylor $20M per year, etc.

Well yea, there are a lot if moving parts to staying on top of the SB contender list and many ways to fall off.

But as far as Mahomes' cash, are they storing up bigger problems or managing their cap better?

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

So I don't know much about those teams. Are they more 'all in' for a short window and will be in bigger cap hell than KC in a few years?

Dallas has a bunch of dudes on rookie contracts who will be very expensive pretty soon. Dak Prescott was on a 4-year deal, so he's gonna be asking for a new contract around $60M per year very soon. But if they follow the Eagles' structure on Jalen Hurts, they can push the bigger cap hits out pretty far into the future.

Lamar Jackson's contract supposedly has cap hits of $74M in 2026 and 2027, but I suspect Baltimore is gonna wiggle out of those bigger cap numbers with some creative accounting.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Lamar Jackson is being paid the same amount of cash as Mahomes over this time period, yet Lamar has legit weapons and a legit defense as well. Lamar numbers:

2023 to 2025 features $155M of cash, but only $97M cap hit. So $52M per year of cash and only $32M per year cap hit. His cap hits are supposed to jump above $74M in 2026 & 2027, but we will see what happens. Baltimore will probably have some tricks up their sleeve to dodge those higher cap hits.

Mahomes did this. What other proof do you need? He came to the table and he wanted more money both in guaranteed and average per year.

The Chiefs were fine with the team friendly contract when it was signed back in 2020 but Mahomes got greedy. He wanted his yearly cap hit average to be at the top again so blame him.

And it's gonna be really ****ing hard to win the next 2 years after this with him making so much and picking late in the draft.

Him and his agent have already said they will revisit the contract in 2026 to do the next installment, so the $57 million and $60 million cap hits the next 2 years are pretty much finalized.

Hopefully he figures out, if he hasn't already this year, how making so much hurts his legacy and goes with another team friendly deal when they redo it again in 3 years.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Mahomes did this. What other proof do you need? He came to the table and he wanted more money both in guaranteed and average per year.

The Chiefs were fine with the team friendly contract when it was signed back in 2020 but Mahomes got greedy. He wanted his yearly cap hit average to be at the top again so blame him.

And it's gonna be really ****ing hard to win the next 2 years after this with him making so much and picking late in the draft.

Him and his agent have already said they will revisit the contract in 2026 to do the next installment, so the $57 million and $60 million cap hits the next 2 years are pretty much finalized.

Hopefully he figures out, if he hasn't already this year, how making so much hurts his legacy and goes with another team friendly deal when they redo it again in 3 years.

All irrelevant in the bigger picture of the cap hits.

The cap hits to the QB are the important issues to managing the roster next few years. The cash out is not my problem or yours.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Mahomes did this. What other proof do you need? He came to the table and he wanted more money both in guaranteed and average per year.

The Chiefs were fine with the team friendly contract when it was signed back in 2020 but Mahomes got greedy. He wanted his yearly cap hit average to be at the top again so blame him.

And it's gonna be really ****ing hard to win the next 2 years after this with him making so much and picking late in the draft.

Him and his agent have already said they will revisit the contract in 2026 to do the next installment, so the $57 million and $60 million cap hits the next 2 years are pretty much finalized.

Hopefully he figures out, if he hasn't already this year, how making so much hurts his legacy and goes with another team friendly deal when they redo it again in 3 years.

All I know is Lamar is getting the exact same cash (actually more cash) than Mahomes over the same time period, and Baltimore has figured out a way to build a better team around him.

How about not wasting $20M per year on the most penalized offensive lineman in the entire league? Taylor ain't that great at pass protection or run-blocking, even if you want to ignore the penalty problems.

How about not wasting $10-11M per year on MVS when the Packers & Rodgers wanted to get rid of the guy? The KC front office has had some poor evaluations.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by DRM08

All I know is Lamar is getting the exact same cash (actually more cash) than Mahomes over the same time period, and Baltimore has figured out a way to build a better team around him.

How about not wasting $20M per year on the most penalized offensive lineman in the entire league? Taylor ain't that great at pass protection or run-blocking, even if you want to ignore the penalty problems.

How about not wasting $10-11M per year on MVS when the Packers & Rodgers wanted to get rid of the guy? The KC front office has had some poor evaluations.

Overall, other than Taylor, KC isn't carrying a lot of long term bad contracts.

MVS is bad and Thuney cap hit near year is gross but we also have tons of good to great players on rookie deals.

We are in a strong position but the strategy has to change.

If Veach is planning for SB window 7 years from now that needs to stop.

He needs to focus on maxing out rings next 3-4 years.

[poolboy]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Brady didn't start the massive discounts until later in his career, conveniently after he married a supermodel with a net worth above $500 million. At one point he was the highest paid guy in the league before he got into his 30's.

Mahomes was drastically underpaid for years. Go take a look at his cash flow in 2020, 2021, and 2022. Then go take a look at the cash flow of other dudes who signed new contracts going back many years (even before Patrick's contract in 2020). His signing bonus was only $10 million, which is a joke. Dak Prescott received $75 million in Year 1 of his new contract. Lamar just got $80 million in Year 1 of his deal. These guys have stacked rosters around them despite the cash going into their pockets.

thats prob cause Jerry is pushing all the monies forward.....there is only so much to go around

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DRM08

All I know is Lamar is getting the exact same cash (actually more cash) than Mahomes over the same time period, and Baltimore has figured out a way to build a better team around him.

How about not wasting $20M per year on the most penalized offensive lineman in the entire league? Taylor ain't that great at pass protection or run-blocking, even if you want to ignore the penalty problems.

How about not wasting $10-11M per year on MVS when the Packers & Rodgers wanted to get rid of the guy? The KC front office has had some poor evaluations.

Lamar is on a 3 year $156 million contract. There's no way in hell the Ravens pay a 30 year old glorified RB with that much wear and tear $74 million in a cap hit with that remaining money in 2026.

They went through this with Flacco so why wouldn't they with Lamar?

And they got good players like Ronnie Stanley, Marlon Humphrey, Zay Flowers and Kyle Hamilton bc they had a lot of down years and picked in the teens, not the end of every round like us.

Just wait. That team will look different soon enough. Lamar makes top 10 QB money starting next year. Their star DT who is a FA is probably gone bc of that.

This is by far their best chance to win a ring with Lamar

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by DRM08

All I know is Lamar is getting the exact same cash (actually more cash) than Mahomes over the same time period, and Baltimore has figured out a way to build a better team around him.

How about not wasting $20M per year on the most penalized offensive lineman in the entire league? Taylor ain't that great at pass protection or run-blocking, even if you want to ignore the penalty problems.

How about not wasting $10-11M per year on MVS when the Packers & Rodgers wanted to get rid of the guy? The KC front office has had some poor evaluations.

Where are you getting these numbers?

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Lamar is on a 3 year $156 million contract. There's no way in hell the Ravens pay a 30 year old glorified RB with that much wear and tear $74 million in a cap hit with that remaining money in 2026.

They went through this with Flacco so why wouldn't they with Lamar?

And they got good players like Ronnie Stanley, Marlon Humphrey, Zay Flowers and Kyle Hamilton bc they had a lot of down years and picked in the teens, not the end of every round like us.

Just wait. That team will look different soon enough. Lamar makes top 10 QB money starting next year. Their star DT who is a FA is probably gone bc of that.

This is by far their best chance to win a ring with Lamar

So you think they will get rid of Lamar in a couple years? It will be interesting to see how it goes. Harbaugh is a solid coach and they seem to do a pretty good job with the Draft evaluations and such.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Lamar is on a 3 year $156 million contract. There's no way in hell the Ravens pay a 30 year old glorified RB with that much wear and tear $74 million in a cap hit with that remaining money in 2026.

They went through this with Flacco so why wouldn't they with Lamar?

And they got good players like Ronnie Stanley, Marlon Humphrey, Zay Flowers and Kyle Hamilton bc they had a lot of down years and picked in the teens, not the end of every round like us.

Just wait. That team will look different soon enough. Lamar makes top 10 QB money starting next year. Their star DT who is a FA is probably gone bc of that.

This is by far their best chance to win a ring with Lamar

Lamar's athleticism is his calling card so they need to win now before he is past 30.

They are doing everything correctly.

Zay Flowers was selected in the 20's. They have been one of the top NFL teams at drafting for a long time.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DRM08

So you think they will get rid of Lamar in a couple years? It will be interesting to see how it goes. Harbaugh is a solid coach and they seem to do a pretty good job with the Draft evaluations and such.

Yup. And the Ravens messed up badly at WR last year like the Chiefs did this year. Just like the Bengals did with their OL or the Bills with their defense.

No team is infallible

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Where are you getting these numbers?

Spotrac.com. If I remember right, some of the money for Mahomes in 2023 is actually incentives earned in 2022 for winning MVP and the Super Bowl. It was originally reported that he was getting $56 million this year but they're now listing it at $59 million.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Spotrac.com. If I remember right, some of the money for Mahomes in 2023 is actually incentives earned in 2022 for winning MVP and the Super Bowl. It was originally reported that he was getting $56 million this year but they're now listing it at $59 million.

I use OTC and they break it down differently. Either way, it is pretty tough to make an assumption about building a team around him with only one year of that new contract when his cap hit is only $22 Million. While Mahome's cap hit is $37 million and climbing much faster than Jackson's It is the cap hits that matter not the cash.
The difference is that we have been drafting 32 or 31 for 4 years now and they have been drafting at around 20. HUGE difference. That affects every round in the draft.
The huge signing bonus for his new 6-year $260 Million contract is most of that cash.

[kcbubb]

This draft looks a lot better at wr than last year. Lots of big fast guys and a few burners too. I’m guessing that we sign a cheap fa wr and draft a wr or two in the draft.